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is now a Jet....Can he make a great difference in a mediocre team now that he is 38?......Only time will tell....

Greatest quarterback of all time? He's not even the greatest quarterback in Packers history. That honor goes to Bart Starr and his 5 world titles. And, this comes from a lifelong Packers fan. Now, that said, he was a great, great player, no doubt. But, watching almost every play for the past 16 years, he made way too many mistakes and dumb plays to be considered the greatest of all time. Now, he may have been the most fun to watch, but Payton and Sanders (and Billy Sims) have to be in that conversation.

I think Favre will struggle with the Jets. He is getting old. He really struggled in 05 and 06, and only played better when MM reigned him in this year. Can the Jets staff control Favre? I don't know. I wish him the best of luck. Its too bad things ended in GB the way they did.

Ive never seen a school so obsessed with a former player...

When does it change from MM Roberts to Favre Field?
Maybe Favre University?

The guy is good. But he is the whiniest guy in the NFL and a head case at that.

One Super Bowl
Most Int's in history.



Joe Montana
Steve Young
Joe Nameth
Bart Starr
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Smack Board please.

3 NFL MVP's...and...by the way, Blazer fan, if you are going to place a Tide player so high on the list, at least spell his name right......lol...

I have no respect for the Criminal Tide.
Why should I spell his name right.

Joe Namath is in the HoF because of one game in which his offense managed 16 points.

I'd put Favre way ahead of him.

Favre is a great qb. Brady, Montana, Starr, and Unitas were better IMO. Favre eclipses Manning, Elway and Namath. Namath threw a lot of INTS and had a short peak period.

Favre does not eclipse Manning and Elway.

Agreed. I'm definitely biased towards Elway because I grew up in Denver, but I don't think any other QB could have delivered those mediocre 80's Bronco teams to the Super Bowl. When Elway finally had the talent around him, he was able to deliver. He was a key piece for the Super Bowl teams of '97 and '98. Elway also has a leg up on Favre because understands what the word "retire" means.

Anyway, my vote for greatest QB of all time goes to Frank Ryan. Went to the Pro Bowl, won a NFL title and has a PhD in Math. What other QB can say that?

Favre University, where small minds change all the time.

http://www.maybeormaybenot.edu

Favre's not the greatest but is probably top 5. Manning will be judged when his career is over, Elway is over rated. Those 80's Broncos teams are always judged because of Elway - Dan Reaves should get more credit with those teams than he does. Elway's 2 super bowl teams were driven my Terrell Davis not Elway.

Greatest that will never be considered the Greatest.... Jim Kelly. Sure 4 SB losses but 4 strait SBs & played against some of the best defenses the NFL has ever seen in those games.

Favre's career is better than Manning's right now, but neither of them are done playing yet. Elway, Montana, and Young, are all probably better, IMO. That leaves Favre as a top 5, and definite hall of famer to me. I am sure I am leaving out lots, but top ten when it is all said and done, for sure.

I've been trying to figure out who this 'Brett Favre' is and why he garners thread after thread here. Imagine my surprise when I Googled him only to discover this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56975563@N00/272323203/

I dunno what's going on there, but it doesn't look kosher!

I think he'll help the team. Pennington wasn't good or durable and Clemmons is a work in progress. IMO, Favre will really help by teaching the young QB's, much like Joe Horn teaching the Falcons' WR's last year.

If a QB today put up the numbers that Joe Namath put up during his career, they would be crucified by the fans.


As much as I like Favre...he is only my 2nd favorite QB behind Drew Brees....and not just cause he plays for my team, I just love the way Brees plays and carries himself on and off the field.

Wow, usmbacker, you didn't tell us you got your picture made with the man himself!

Favre wanted no part of being a mentor to Aaron Rogers, why would he mentor Kellen Clemens?

Good point. It's all about Favre, all the time.

Elway....no. He has two Super Bowl rings and threw less interceptions. By the time Manning is done he will have probably passed all of Favre's records and have another Super Bowl Ring. Namath is waaaaaay overrated.

Brett is a HOF QB and that should never be questioned. But he's not the best of all time and I'm sure most USM don't think he is either.

You seriously under estimate USM fans and their god Brett "big baby" Favre.

I would put Aikman above Favre...

Elway is not over rated. If Mike Shananhan would have been coaching instead of Dan Reeves, Elway would have 4 or 5 super bowl rings inastead of 2. Every running back in Shanahan's system has been successful. Elway carried those teams in the eighties, he's the most sacked QB of all time and he had some wheels.

148 games won as a starting quarterback – NFL Record
47 game-winning or game-tying drives in the fourth quarter – NFL Record
5-time Super Bowl starting quarterback – NFL Record
50,000+ career passing yards and 3,000+ career rushing yards – NFL Record
7 consecutive seasons with 3000+ passing yards and 200+ rushing yards – NFL Record

Elway over rated

To be fair, some of those are previous records next to Mr. Favre.

Favre is now the all time winner, he has one record from the above list that I am aware of. My argument was to for the person who called Elway over rated, which is ridiculous.

I would put Doug Flutie ahead of Favre and but behind Elway.

Your opening statement on this thread is false.

Thats what you get when you have no O-LINE. Farve will spend more time on the ground this year than he will throwing the ball.

I don't understand why players have retirement tours anyway. Why go rent yourself out for 3-4 years after your time is up and ruin your image. NE said last year they wouldn't renew Troy Browns contract (Troy played 14 years, 3 SB Rings, all with NE). There have been 3 teams ask him to try out with them and he has told them no.

Farve's first regular season game: Jets at Miami...If he makes it till then, I wouldn't trust that O-Line for anything.

The Jets did make some pretty significant OL upgrades.

Blather for the talking heads and goo-goo eyed fans. Look at any TV retrospective on the careers of Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Joe Namath, Joe Montana, and Jerry Rice. Their time spent as respective members of the Wizards, Raptors, Rams, Chiefs, and Raiders have been treated as interesting footnotes to the overall depth of their championship careers.

Besides, image has never signed a game check.

Agassi would argue that image is everything.

Rice had a decent time in Oakland. It was his time in Seattle and not making it through training camp with the Broncos that people tend to forget, for good reason.

Anyway, to your first point, talking heads and goo-goo fans place emphasis on rings and other things that are overrated when it comes to the quality of ONE PLAYER in a team sport.

Dan Marino doesn't have any rings, but he's a much better quarterback than several who do (and at least one who has multiple rings). And anyone who would put down someone like, say, Ted Williams for not having any rings is a moron.

I think it's his own fault. LACES OUT DAN.

If a QB today had to call the plays like Joe Namath, Johnny Unitas, or Bart Starr had too, he would be moved to wr.

You mean like how they moved Peyton Manning to WR?

I'll give you manning, but who else?

Manning calling the plays is way overdone.Im not even sure I believe thing about him picking between three plays at the line because sometimes he doesnt even give any signals or say anything

You said that in another thread too. I still don't get it. What don't you like about the upgrades to the Jets O-line? Are you just unaware of the free agent signings, or unimpressed by them? Do you think Mangold is overrated? Ferguson is a bust? Faneca ISN'T one of the greatest of his generation? Woody shouldn't have made the Pro Bowl? What specifically do you see as the problem? On paper, this is a top 10 offensive line.

-Chris

Well, Feneca is past his prime, I think the jets paid waaay too much for him. D'brickashaw is looking more like a bust for were he was drafted. He's out of shape and gets caught out of position against power rushers. Woody isn't that good either, he had major issues in detroit when he played interior and tackle.

this should be a top 10 line with 4 first round picks, but it's not. Average at best.

Greatest of all time????

You give Favre a Mark Duper and Clayton, A Jerry Rice, a Marvin Harrison,A Michael Irvin, a Emmit Smith, E. James (for years) a Tony Dorsett.....Favre would be untouched!!! Thats not because I'm a Eagle Fan, but because it's only logical to think what he has done with average joes his whole career versus what some guys have done with hall of famers along aide of them!

Yeah, because Sharpe, Freeman, Levins, etc. sucked.... give me a freaking break.

What on earth made you drag this thread back up?

Favre is solid.

The media/ESPN ruined him this year.

Everybody hates him because they're sick of hearing about him.

Don't hate the man over something he can't control.

I, for one, can't get enough of ole Fava Bean. We should sticky the thread!

He did controll his coming out of retirement just amonth before pre season started

Sharpe is the only one in this list even worth mentioning... Freeman and Levins??? Where are they now and what are their stats compared to that of the players I named!!! Neither of those later two guys will ever sniff the Hall!

Freeman's stats are close to both Duper and Clayton. Neither of those guys will sniff the hall.

Levens was probably a poor inclusion on my part, but he and Ahman Green both had great years while playing with Green Bay. Favre had plenty of talent around him in Green Bay.

I did so becuase I didnt see the nonsense in the first place. I havent been on the board in awhile and was reading through about 15 pages of posts yesterday.