NCAAbbs

Make sure you do it publicly so we can all watch their reaction please.

Be careful what you wish for. I know some Frog fans that aren't that jazzed about the mountains, the cold weather, lack of TV, start times, no natural/historic rivals, travel dollars and the many splendid bowl destinations (they do like their backyard bowl though and the easy wins on their conference schedule).

But I think you're safe for now. The people in control are still telling themselves they are better off in the hills.

I know the last time Killerfrogs voted about where they would rather be, the MWC or CUSA, the vote was 65 to 6 in favor of the MWC.

Add in the fact that TCU ALREADY LEFT CUSA for the MWC, when CUSA was a much stronger league, and TCU to CUSA is about as likely to happen as Rosie O Donell gracing the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition.

If you guys are so confident in CUSA maybe you should ask Killerfrogs. I can do it for you if you like.

First of all Cowboy the kids on killerfrogs won't make that decision if the Frogs make a move. They went to the MWC gambling on a BCS auto bid. With gas and travel costs going through the roof if the league does not get an autobid in the next BCS contract they may be forced to make a move. Grow up and follow the money, your emotionalism is tedious.

Didn't TCU go to the WAC or the Big West? They probably had no idea how forgotten they would become in that conference.

No way in hell! They were responsible for the lack of a lawsuit against the Airport 5, their baseball coach tried to steal players in Cape Cod, and they have said many times they have no interest in being anywhere near the Owls...and that is fine by me.

My friends aren't "kids" hanging out on killerfrogs. These are longtime financial supporters/season ticket holders.

Not saying it would happen. Just simply reporting that there are some (maybe more than you think) frog fans that aren't so peachy on that conference way out west. They will never say much publicly, but in the living room or over a beer, they do express some disastisfaction with everything I mentioned above.

I see where the delusional MWC fans are crowing on their board. If CUSA got raided again they think they could pull off the SUN bowl.

A CUSA team going to the BE is their wet dream. Pathetic. Pull your own damn weight instead of trying to figure out ways to tear down the WAC or CUSA.

here is quote from the MWC board.

"If TCU left the MWC and went back to the CUSA, I would immediately quit doing anything TCU related. I would probably move my company over seas towards Amsterdam and totally clear my head, until my tombstone is printed. "

He's confused the mountains with getting high. TCU wouldn't miss him and his bong.

So are we supposed to take some random jagg-off's comments on a message board as the gospel truth for the future of the school?

Go back to the WAC board.... Congrats on having a football program for over 100 years and just now averaging over 20k fans for home games.

http://wyomingathletics.cstv.com/sports/...05aaa.html

sweet!! maybe in another 100 years you can break 30k for home games played at midnight.

Last week, San Diego State's beat writer wrote that the MWC is "tethered to a television contract that falls somewhere between farcical and the nether reaches of absurd."

SDSU knows it. TCU knows it. Everybody knows it, even if a few occasional visitors to this message board are in denial.

Smack coming from a fan of the only school that actually tried to hire Jeff Bower.

I just thought it was funny.

Damn, that's cold!!!!!!

You are a mean man.

TCU made overtures to rejoin the conference when they thought Tulane may drop football.

WoW, everyone here has a hard on for TCU! Get over it guys, TCU moved on to bigger better things. It wouldn't even be a lateral move.....it would be complete suicide for them to go back to CUSA! Stick to MAC, WAC and SBC teams for your next expansion candidate.

Have you considered that TCU may have reassessed their reasons for joining the MWC? It looked like the MWC was lined up for a BCS bid...BCS expansion clearly isn't going to happen. The new TV deal is nice, but it may not be what TCU thinks is best for them. And then the travel costs would be much less in CUSA...sure, San Diego and Greenville are about the same distance from DFW, but instead of having to travel outside the state for every conference game, they'd have 3 home games in Texas (or in Tulsa, which is pretty reasonably from DFW), so long-distance travel would be restricted to when playing @ Marshall, @ ECU, or @ UCF.

CUSA isn't going to invite TCU back.. nor is Memphis leaving.. its all moot.

Which school is that?

Why would we want 'em back? They're a mere shell of their former selves. They've declined every year in the MWAC where they dominated after coming over from a much stronger CUSA. Once CUSA lost a lot of their strongest teams it's taken a few years to recover, but we still beat MWAC teams on the field and in TV ratings. Now that TCU has been recruiting to the MWC their talent level has dropped. In relation to CUSA they're falling like a rock.

Better than that let us all see the first football prospect Memphis tries to get away from Tennessee using a big east membership as bait.

The TCU thing is a lie that no CUSA fan ever could provide a link for. "In communication with CUSA officials": yeah right, prove it.

You guys aren't even talking about trying to get TCU to return to CUSA in it's former condition: a one bid basketball league with ZERO top 25 football teams in over three years. You would be trying to convince TCU to return to Conference Memphis Basketball without Memphis basketball.

The MWC would likely go to twelve to cripple the Wac and CUSA at the same time. It would be very likely the Wac would lose Boise, Fresno, and La. Tech to CUSA. The MWC would also take Utep or Houston. So even if the Big East only took Memphis you would be left with a twelve team league that looked like this:

East
La. Tech
ECU
Southern Miss
UAB
Marshall
UCF

West
SMU
Rice
Tulsa
Houston
Tulane
North Texas

There is no way in hell that TCU would join that league. They left CUSA when CUSA was better than it is now and much better than it will be when the Big East raids CUSA.

Go ahead and cross TCU off the wish list, it's not going to happen.

This is still a CUSA board, right?

This is a nice thread, but I do not see any TCU fans confirming your statements.

NOBODY SAID WE WANT TCU BACK.

YOU STARTED THE THREAD JACKASS, KUDO'S FOR BRINGING UP AN ARGUMENT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BE APART OF.

TCU WAS TOO GOOD FOR CUSA. THEY CAN LIVE IN NEVER NEVER LAND EATING THE TAINT OF DIMEL'S POOL TABLE EXECS!

I just posted the question on TCU's board. There aren't any responses yet, so you'll get to watch them come in as I do.

There might be a very small minority of TCU fans, boosters, and administrators that want to return to CUSA, but the overwhelming majority like the MWC.

You'll see....

http://www.killerfrogs.com/msgboard/inde...opic=79070

This is funny. You crow about no one providing evidence of something then go on to make up some scenario of what would actually happen with no evidence to support it. Kudos to you, sir!

Sorry, thanks for playing. SMU will NOT be in a league with Denton Community College. Ever.

FAU would be higher on the list than UNT.

I would say TCU then Ohio then FAU then Troy or La. Tech.

TCU would SERIOUSLY consider the offer.... I think they would take the leap back... at least thats what this frog wants.

You're also a Utep fan. When half the posters on Killerfrogs support the idea, I would get worried. When one fan with allegiances to Utep suppports it, it's not very likely that anyone at TCU would even consider it.

He is upfront about it when he says that he attented TCU which is not uncommon since my nephew is currently attending SMU but grew up rooting for UTEP. Unlike your Goat buddy a Coward by the name of Minerthreat who clearly is an MWaC fan and CUSA hater.

Still, the point remains. Not one TCU fan supports the idea of joining a CUSA without Memphis.

Move on to discussions about La Tech, Troy, Ohio, and North Texas. TCU isn't going anywhere.

So what is wrong with that school North of Dallas?

I also don't see an invite going to North Texas, just for the fact they are a Texas School and 4 seems like more than enough if not to many (5 would be a little over board). That's the same way I feel about trying to add TCU...

Plus the simple fact is I don't see TCU wanting to go back to C-USA, if you look at football, basketball (the 2 main money sports), and the TV contract...

Currently C-USA has a large lead in NCAA credits, this year it was C-USA 43 credits vs the MWC 21 credits. This passed season Memphis earned C-USA 4 more (since that's most a team can earn in a season), UNLV and BYU earned the MWC 3, so next year the totals will be C-USA 43 and MWC 20. But in order to keep pace C-USA will have to earn 9 in the 2008-09 season, 11 in the 2009-10 season, and 10 in the 2010-11 season. I don't see that happening, since C-USA was re-alined in 2005, the credits have been, 2005-06 5, 2006-07 4, and 2007-08 4. Almost all of them earned by Memphis, so if Memphis left to the Big East, your basketball credits would take another big hit...

NCAA Credits going into the 2007-08 season (starting at 2001-02 - 2006-07 season)
C-USA; 4, 9, 11, 10, 5, and 4 = 43 credits
MWC; 4, 4, 3, 4, 2, and 4 = 21 credits

Anyway looking at 2007-08 revenue from (simple terms and numbers) TV, Bowls and Basketball credits for the 2 conferences;

C-USA
TV- $11,500,000
Bowls- $6,259,400 (Bowls $3,773,000 + BC$ split $2,486,400)
Credits- $8,302,129
Total- $26,061,529 / 12 = $2,171,794 per school average

MWC
TV- $12,000,000
Bowls- $7,129,600 (Bowls $3,600,000 + BC$ split $3,529,600)
Credits- $4,054,528
Total- $23,184,128 / 9 = $2,576,014 per school average

So even with the huge credit advantage and more Bowl games TCU still stands to make more in the MWC than in C-USA.

Is this really a put down considering your school did hire Jeff Bower?

And employed him when he was good and when he 'sucked'?

Those are all great points. Now what happens if CUSA loses Memphis. Basketball credits will be cut 1/2 to 2/3. The t.v. contract will lose a third to a half of it's value. In addition, the Liberty bowl is gone, so the revenue from that will leave as well.

Most of those financial losses are going to start this year with the basketball credits, regardless of what Memphis does. When Memphis leaves CUSA is going to lose a lot of money.

Didn't really want to get into the what if's part of it to much, because there is a bunch of those and all different ways they could go. If Memphis did go to the Big East I would bet that the Liberty Bowl would soon be tied to the Big East, but that does not mean C-USA would loose their tie-in with the Liberty Bowl.
One would have to think Memphis would be pretty attractive to the Big East, even if some C-USA fans don't want to agree... Memphis has been a NCAA credit machine over the last few years and they have very good connections to their home town Bowl. It is well known that the Big East would like to upgrade their Bowl line up, since they only have the BC$ Bowl or Bowls and one other tie-in (Gator Bowl/Sun Bowl) that pay over $1 million, all their other bowls pay $750,000 or less... So the Liberty Bowl would be a nice fit for the Big East...

bring on NMSU or UNT... let TCU suffer...

Do you really expect TCU fans to admit publicly that they want to return to CUSA?

TCU? Why are we still talking about the Frogs?

Even if TCU knows they made a mistake in going to a conference that's often mistaken by the WAC, they won't admit it. They're not coming back and let them be BYU and Utah's biatch for eternity. Even if C-USA losses two schools to the Big East, we can stay at 10 which is the perfect number for a conference but I still believe the Big East will get one C-USA East school and that'll be UCF. Until that happens, then we can worry about what school brings the most to the table for C-USA membership. C-USA lost its best football program (Louisville) and basketball program (Cincinnati), it'll be almost impossible to replace those two but it's doable, this conference is in its 3rd year together.

As for Cowboy Junky and Loboblast, you two look pathetic being here wishing the "death" of C-USA. This conference has shown it can recover, and it's not just my opinion, it's a fact. If the MWC is ready to take UTEP or Houston or Boise and Fresno from the WAC, why are they not doing it right now? Who's stopping you? Why wait until the Big East raids C-USA? You know why? Because it's not happening. There's a big difference between what the decision makers (Presidents, AD's, boosters) and what posters on message boards want. Instead of looking to other conference to improve your product, why don't you start in your own conference? What have Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU and Air Force done in football since realignment? Any AP and BCS rankings, major bowl invitations/victories, etc., etc? That's 2/3 of MWC schools.

Folks, if a team leaves a conference, the NCAA tourney credits earned by that team stay with the conference. Only if a league agrees contractually with the departing school will that school receive any NCAA tourney credit money they earned while in that conference. CUSA would have no reason hypothetically to do anything other than keep all Memphis NCAA tourney credit money, and it lasts 6 years.

Only for academic purposes will I talk about TCU joining CUSA. Assuming your numbers are correct, which I seriously doubt, but don't go to the trouble of "proving" them... you leave out the more important part of the equation, and that is expenses. Travel in the MWC is much higher than in CUSA West. TCU would SERIOUSLY cut their expenses by joining CUSA West. Southwest would fly them to virtually every game on a regularly scheduled flight. There would be 5 teams in Texas and 7 within a 90 minute flight.

BUT...

RIce wouldn't vote for TCU to join the conference... and i don't think many if any of CUSA gives a rats a$$ about TCU as we sit.

Having said that... and THIS is the most important comment...

Any school, including TCU leaving their current conference is going to be the result of an action by ANOTHER conference... not an affirmative action by that school. In other words, IF the BE decides to expand, they will seek out a school in their general footprint... and CUSA EAST is the best non-bcs conference in their footprint. The BCS schools in the Wac and MWC conferences are viewed as being stable... and while I think the BE with 16 basketball schools and an auto BCS bid split only 9 ways... I think they're fine as well.... SOME people think there is an opportunity.

So... we have a BCS conference that some view as unstable... and a few posters and journalists come on here pimping their school as the "best" candidate. So some others say... so IF that happens, what do we do??

Of all the MWC or WAC schools, TCU is the only one I can think of with ANY geographical overlap with CUSA... so it makes geographical sense to mention them... plus there's some history... and not all of it good... that's all. None of the other WAC or MWC conference schools make geographic sense. There are some sun-belt and other "lesser" conferences that make sense geographically... and some of their teams would fit quite well (nemerically and performance-wise) in the ower half of CUSA, the MWC or the WAC. I mean, if we entertain TCUs delusions of Grandeur and the big12 goes to 13, or more likely, assume BYU goes to the Pac10... WHOM would the MWC go after?? My guess, geographically reasonable UTEP or Tulsa and some schools similar in stature to the belt and other conference teams like we discuss. So while they like to make fun of our purely hypothetical discussions... the reality is that if we put the shoe on the other foot, they'd be in the same position. They can make arguments that NMSU or whatever is a better school than say Troy or North Texas, but who cares... It's like saying my pile of crap is better than yours... even if it is... its STILL just a pile of crap. (not calling those schools crap... just making a point)

It doesn't matter what TCU fans think the right move is today... OR what they think the right move will be IF Memphis or ECU or whomever leaves CUSA... I can guarantee you that it won't be that simple. There will be realignment beyond those two schools.

That is a big IF Junkie, there is no concluding evidence that Memphis will be snatched away by the "New Big East Conference", only some report from a tv station with "inside information" these type of rumblings have been going on since the new CUSA formed nothing new there. UCF, ECU, Southern Miss, Memphis have all been rumored to be the "chosen one" to become part of the Big East.

CUSA probably wouldn't approach TCU with an offer. If a move happened it would more than likely have to be TCU that initiated the contact and the desire to join.

If we just lose Memphis I'd be for just staying at 11 for awhile and see what develops. 11 seems to be a good number for the B10.

I had the same thought about travel expenses. When Rice was looking at C-USA over the WAC, I thought the travel savings was at least $250k. Although travel included Hawaii, it was also in the time of $1.50 gasoline. Travel costs must be really high now for programs like TCU, Louisiana Tech, UTEP, and Marshall.

But it would be the same expenses if UTEP was in the WAC or the MWC. The only schools close to UTEP are NMSU and UNM and the Miners play them every year. Flying to Boise, Honolulu, San Diego, San Jose, Fresno, Salt Lake and Denver it's not much of a difference than flying to Dallas, Houston, Tulsa, New Orleans, Birmingham, Memphis, Orlando and Raleigh. Being in C-USA, the WAC and MWC wouldn't save much $$$$ on travel expenses to UTEP.

I agree with you on TCU, Louisiana Tech and Marshall. Basically, those three have regional nonBCS conferences close to them.....unlike UTEP.

We'd need a waiver from the NCAA to continue to host a CCG. 11's a bad number...9 is ideal and 10 works ok (but an unbalanced conference schedule on home vs away games)...11 is pretty much useless. I'm sure the NCAA would grant a waiver for a year or two, but at some point they're going to say 'add the 12th team or drop the CCG.'

Coming from a Memphis fan - let me first of all say - Memphis fans love CUSA. Yes, granted, like ANY non BCS school, we would love to be a part of a BCS conference like Big East because of the money (and for some rivalries like UL, Cincy) but mostly money. To say, CUSA will not be successful because Memphis leaves is also not a correct argument - it will take the conference some times but it will recover - just like the current conference is doing after loosing Louisville, Cincy, Marquette. MWC is in the same boat, if not worse, because if they loose BYU, that conference will be worse off then C-USA. Since we know neither BYU is going anywhere, nor is Memphis - this whole discussion is useless. The CUSA already has its 12 members, do not need another TCU or otherwise. Additionally, speaking of basketball, yes the league has received only 1 bid this year, but it received multiple bids the year before and its numbers in the RPI continues to go up. I expect CUSA to pass MWC and A-10 next year in mens basketball in RPI and number of bids.