NCAAbbs

is a horrible coach...sorry people..didn't mean to hurt your feelings..so when you all get off his tits talk to me..thanks

idiot.

excuse me if im not happy with an average of 2 stars..come on kid

He is just mad because B.J. Daniels picked USF over us,we are out-recruited by the CUSA and half of the Sunbelt, and haven't had a top-100 recruiting class in three years...that is simply pathetic....I don't blame him....

Bye.

Dak10 Wrote:He is just mad because B.J. Daniels picked USF over us,we are out-recruited by the CUSA and half of the Sunbelt, and haven't had a top-100 recruiting class in three years...that is simply pathetic....I don't blame him....

what's new - it's been this way for more than a few seasons now...

With neither Tennarius Wright, Demaris Johnson, nor BJ Daniels, this class is a lot less appealing.

maybe he needs his other eye to see what a stupid post that was.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

On-campus stadium and recruitment NOW!

I bit my tongue until this recruiting season was over, and I will continue to keep it bit until this season is over, but for just today I am going to spill my disappointment for this recruiting class, and the last two season. Look at what Southern Miss has done with its recruiting class and tell me it isn't looking like it is time for a change....

can't argue with it...how many 'diamond in the rough' classes can we endure?

There is a big difference between being disappointed with recruiting, and calling Tommy West trash.

The thread is also demeaning to those players who have signed.

I'm a Tiger, win lose or draw...and I get frustrated like anyone else, but posting a thread calling our head coach trash, on signing day, and demeaning our recruits, is, well, uncalled for.

MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:There is a big difference between being disappointed with recruiting, and calling Tommy West trash.

The thread is also demeaning to those players who have signed.

I'm a Tiger, win lose or draw...and I get frustrated like anyone else, but posting a thread calling our head coach trash, on signing day, and demeaning our recruits, is, well, uncalled for.

I agree 100%.

MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:There is a big difference between being disappointed with recruiting, and calling Tommy West trash.

The thread is also demeaning to those players who have signed.

I'm a Tiger, win lose or draw...and I get frustrated like anyone else, but posting a thread calling our head coach trash, on signing day, and demeaning our recruits, is, well, uncalled for.

+1

This thread is a good candidate for the trash, errrr miserables board.......

well...people like you are the reasons why tommy is still here. Players know that they are not that good, so they come to a D1 school that will recruit them, and Memphis is there with wide open arms. Although we did have a winning season last year, it was not a good season. And we got blown out against a sun-belt team. I hope we come out next season and win a c-usa ship but can you seriously say we have the talent to do so. I'm tired of tommy west being happy with a mediocre-to low recruiting class. Coaches get fired all the time, that is just what happens. Coaches don't get fired because of recruiting completely but it helps the cause. He got lucky that other teams sucked last year or he would be gone. Open yours eyes people.

Quote:Open yours eyes people.

or 'eye' in your case...
























lord....i apologize...

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Stammers Wrote:

MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:There is a big difference between being disappointed with recruiting, and calling Tommy West trash.

The thread is also demeaning to those players who have signed.

I'm a Tiger, win lose or draw...and I get frustrated like anyone else, but posting a thread calling our head coach trash, on signing day, and demeaning our recruits, is, well, uncalled for.

I agree 100%.

+1
What a pathetic "fan"

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:well...people like you are the reasons why tommy is still here. Players know that they are not that good, so they come to a D1 school that will recruit them, and Memphis is there with wide open arms. Although we did have a winning season last year, it was not a good season. And we got blown out against a sun-belt team. I hope we come out next season and win a c-usa ship but can you seriously say we have the talent to do so. I'm tired of tommy west being happy with a mediocre-to low recruiting class. Coaches get fired all the time, that is just what happens. Coaches don't get fired because of recruiting completely but it helps the cause. He got lucky that other teams sucked last year or he would be gone. Open yours eyes people.

Trash? You say a guy is "trash" because he can't recruit. I mean, you may not like his coaching, but Coach West is not trash. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

UMTiger02 Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:well...people like you are the reasons why tommy is still here. Players know that they are not that good, so they come to a D1 school that will recruit them, and Memphis is there with wide open arms. Although we did have a winning season last year, it was not a good season. And we got blown out against a sun-belt team. I hope we come out next season and win a c-usa ship but can you seriously say we have the talent to do so. I'm tired of tommy west being happy with a mediocre-to low recruiting class. Coaches get fired all the time, that is just what happens. Coaches don't get fired because of recruiting completely but it helps the cause. He got lucky that other teams sucked last year or he would be gone. Open yours eyes people.

Trash? You say a guy is "trash" because he can't recruit. I mean, you may not like his coaching, but Coach West is not trash. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

eww..good one.sorry his coaching is trash, his recruiting is trash, his play calling is trash. I was just shorting all of this into one statement. I like tommy. He seems like a good guy, just find a different job...and sorry about grammar checking...don't always get to that part of posting.

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

Didn't think about it at all. When you have the best interest of the university in your heart, you don't have to think....words just come naturally. When you're grandstanding to get individual attention to yourself, you have to weigh you words to ensure that the attention is on you.

Once again, since you didn't read it the first time....
There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

But there isn't any reason to refer to Tommy like you did in your thread title. No reason.

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

Didn't think about it at all. When you have the best interest of the university in your heart, you don't have to think....words just come naturally. When you're grandstanding to get individual attention to yourself, you have to weigh you words to ensure that the attention is on you.

Once again, since you didn't read it the first time....
There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

But there isn't any reason to refer to Tommy like you did in your thread title. No reason.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but Tommy west is a bad coach. Watch a game. I bet you never watch them because you get bored and turn the channel. I went to ever home game plus bowl game. I was disappointed the whole season even when we won. ASU game is a prime example. Please give me reasons why he is a good coach? Deangelo doesn't count.

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

Didn't think about it at all. When you have the best interest of the university in your heart, you don't have to think....words just come naturally. When you're grandstanding to get individual attention to yourself, you have to weigh you words to ensure that the attention is on you.

Once again, since you didn't read it the first time....
There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

But there isn't any reason to refer to Tommy like you did in your thread title. No reason.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but Tommy west is a bad coach. Watch a game. I bet you never watch them because you get bored and turn the channel. I went to ever home game plus bowl game. I was disappointed the whole season even when we won. ASU game is a prime example. Please give me reasons why he is a good coach? Deangelo doesn't count.

oldtiger has been a Tiger fan, a supporter and has been to three times as many games as you have credits. He owes you no explanations whatsoever.

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

Didn't think about it at all. When you have the best interest of the university in your heart, you don't have to think....words just come naturally. When you're grandstanding to get individual attention to yourself, you have to weigh you words to ensure that the attention is on you.

Once again, since you didn't read it the first time....
There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

But there isn't any reason to refer to Tommy like you did in your thread title. No reason.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but Tommy west is a bad coach. Watch a game. I bet you never watch them because you get bored and turn the channel. I went to ever home game plus bowl game. I was disappointed the whole season even when we won. ASU game is a prime example. Please give me reasons why he is a good coach? Deangelo doesn't count.

BS, Cyclops.

Of course DeAngelo counts. Just like Avery and Doucette and Means and Vogel and every other athlete recruited under his watch.

Reasons West is a good coach?

Four bowl games in his seven years. That is more than any other coach in the history of the school.

More season tickets sold than any other coach in the history of the school.

More TV appearances than any other coach in the history of the school.

42 wins thus far, which is good for 2nd place behind Spook Murphy.

What impresses me is West is doing this DESPITE:
- being the HC of an urban university that clearly puts basketball first. Football is the proverbial red-haired stepchild.
- having 1970's era facilties (half field IPF, weight room, etc.).
- being the ONLY university in this state without an OCS.
- having less of a recruiting budget than the basketball program.
- Competing in a metro area is jammed with various SEC, Big XII, and ACC fans.
- Dealing with a local sports media that is biased against MEMPHIS sports (even the # 1 basketball team takes hits) so you know football takes hits all the time from the SEC junkies.

But the MOST impressive thing about West? He has to endure MORE than his share of lukewarm, stupid people such as YOU.

Now, put down your fifth of Black Jack for a moment and grasp this next part. Notice I did NOT refer to you as a "fan". No fan would refer to their HC as "trash". You are an illiterate dip$h^t SEC troll. I can't prove it but I can SMELL it through my computer screen. Your BS talk is THAT obvious.

georgiatiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

I'm assuming that you are drunk, on drugs, or someone has you at gun point forcing you to type that title. I also assume that when you see this title tomorrow after your hangover, you'll apologize to rational people on this board for this title.

why can't people see the light...good one old tiger..good one..
must have thought about that for a while....geez..is downing me going to make me think tommy is a good coach, NO...He is not, and he will get the boot. You all will make up some excuse why he gets fired. The day is coming people. He can't ride Deangelo forever...

Didn't think about it at all. When you have the best interest of the university in your heart, you don't have to think....words just come naturally. When you're grandstanding to get individual attention to yourself, you have to weigh you words to ensure that the attention is on you.

Once again, since you didn't read it the first time....
There may be legitimate reasons to debate Tommy's recruiting ability, offensive play selection, defensive schemes, scheduling philosophies, interviewing skills, interpersonal skills, etc.

But there isn't any reason to refer to Tommy like you did in your thread title. No reason.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but Tommy west is a bad coach. Watch a game. I bet you never watch them because you get bored and turn the channel. I went to ever home game plus bowl game. I was disappointed the whole season even when we won. ASU game is a prime example. Please give me reasons why he is a good coach? Deangelo doesn't count.

oldtiger has been a Tiger fan, a supporter and has been to three times as many games as you have credits. He owes you no explanations whatsoever.

Thanks GT, I really do appreciate your comments.

I have no problem explaining why Tommy's earned his stripes here and have done so many times. In this case, I think bossman's done a great job of that above.

Frankly, though Mr. one eye is just in this thread for the personal attention and not the good of the univeristy. No way would someone use those words if they had any thought of the good of the university.

One Eyed.......no decent person would call our coach or even another Tiger fan what you've called him. I stand by my comment that you are/were drunk, on drugs, or just being cruel.

PM me if you have a problem with that. I'm pretty easy to find.
Otherwise, I'm through with this thread.

Stammers Wrote:

MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:There is a big difference between being disappointed with recruiting, and calling Tommy West trash.

The thread is also demeaning to those players who have signed.

I'm a Tiger, win lose or draw...and I get frustrated like anyone else, but posting a thread calling our head coach trash, on signing day, and demeaning our recruits, is, well, uncalled for.

I agree 100%.

Demeaning?? Is it any less demeaning to get creamed week in and week out by double digits?

Do the recruits a favor and fire West. He was a good fit immediately after RS, but not when you're trying to become a serious program. He coasted through the Deangelo years and isn't worth his salt. Can him!

Tommy West has the best coaching record of anyone from the last 30 years of football at the University of Memphis. I have yet to make up my mind about what exactly I think of Tommy West, but I am going to give him a chance. I have criticized Tommy West on many occasions. We had a pretty good season in 2007.

2008 will be Tommy West's opportunity to prove himself good or bad to RC and Dr. Raines. He really can't be fired right now so until November 2009, Tommy West will be our coach. I don't know if I think his contract should be extended, but I am going to support whomever is our football coach.

I don't care who the coach is, if you declare yourself to be a fan you can't flip flop on support simply because you believe your team is hitting a rough patch.

It would be nice to have the top rated recruiting class in the conference for a change.

supertiger Wrote:Tommy West has the best coaching record of anyone from the last 30 years of football at the University of Memphis. I have yet to make up my mind about what exactly I think of Tommy West, but I am going to give him a chance. I have criticized Tommy West on many occasions. We had a pretty good season in 2007.

2008 will be Tommy West's opportunity to prove himself good or bad to RC and Dr. Raines. He really can't be fired right now so until November 2009, Tommy West will be our coach. I don't know if I think his contract should be extended, but I am going to support whomever is our football coach.

I don't care who the coach is, if you declare yourself to be a fan you can't flip flop on support simply because you believe your team is hitting a rough patch.

Honestly, is this really a meaningful statistic? Like I mentioned above, he got to coast under DeAngelo Williams for 4 years.

I support Tiger football. However, we haven't really ever had a consistent, nationally competitive football program, and are trying to focus on building that sort of thing now. Part of it is retaining booster and fan support, as well as an OCS. I also believe that part of the way forward is getting a coach who can coach and recruit.

Tommy can't blame all of the football program's troubles on being in a non-BCS conference and our current facilities. We recruit dismally when compared with our conference counterparts, which kind-of invalidates his point. Many of the other C-USA schools have a smaller budget and worse facilities than we do!

You have to make the players believe in your program, and in you. It's called leadership. Tommy West can only blame his players and defensive coordinators after losses and make excuses nonstop for poor recruiting. It's time he took some personal responsibility. In the end, the merry-go-round is going to stop with West losing his job.

Where do we get the money to fire West. I have seen his contract and it doesn't leave much room for the university. As long as he is coach we need to make the best of it. In two years we can reflect on if Tommy West deserves a contract extension or doesn't. Until then we need to give Tommy West all the support he deserves.

I still belive TW can get a division title or conference title in 2008

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:

UMTiger02 Wrote:

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:well...people like you are the reasons why tommy is still here. Players know that they are not that good, so they come to a D1 school that will recruit them, and Memphis is there with wide open arms. Although we did have a winning season last year, it was not a good season. And we got blown out against a sun-belt team. I hope we come out next season and win a c-usa ship but can you seriously say we have the talent to do so. I'm tired of tommy west being happy with a mediocre-to low recruiting class. Coaches get fired all the time, that is just what happens. Coaches don't get fired because of recruiting completely but it helps the cause. He got lucky that other teams sucked last year or he would be gone. Open yours eyes people.

Trash? You say a guy is "trash" because he can't recruit. I mean, you may not like his coaching, but Coach West is not trash. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

eww..good one.sorry his coaching is trash, his recruiting is trash, his play calling is trash. I was just shorting all of this into one statement. I like tommy. He seems like a good guy, just find a different job...and sorry about grammar checking...don't always get to that part of posting.

You are enough to make one reconsider their stance on abortion!

TW is leaving anyway when his sons eligibility is done. Just a couple more years and we can start improving our program. Yes TW did take us to bowl games and do things that Memphis hadn't done...blah blah, he raised the bar, but he hasn't raised it in a while. Our football program seems to have plateaued. He is not trash, and he's not a bad coach. He did a lot for our program, but I think we've gone as far as we can under him. We still might go to some bowl games, and have decent seasons. But if we want to be an even more serious program we'll need a different guy.

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:can't get a decent recruit...wow

One Eyed Tigra, you are another glowing example of why some animals eat their young. If you don't like the recruiting class that's one thing but to call Coach West trash is something else. By calling the Coach of one of our teams trash you are implying that his team is trash and therefore the school is trash because they employ him.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:It would be nice to have the top rated recruiting class in the conference for a change.

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is alive and back!!!!!!!!!!!

Now having gotten that out of my system, welcome back toGC.

MemphisMike Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:It would be nice to have the top rated recruiting class in the conference for a change.

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is alive and back!!!!!!!!!!!

Now having gotten that out of my system, welcome back toGC.

Thanks. Good to be back.

It's no big secret that I am dissatisfied with Coach West's performance lately. I believe that his playcalling has become too predictable since DeAngelo Williams and Danny Wimprine left. I am seriously concerned about the revolving door at the DC position. I absolutely hate the watered down schedule. I lament his inability to get a top rated recruiting class (even among conference opponents).

I don't think Tommy is trash. He's a likeable guy.

This discussion would be best served by using facts, and not slurs.

First, we all know "facts" are not always facts. Sometimes they are figures that are simply used to prove one persons point, yet they disregard other "facts" to make their point known.

The play calling has gotten back to a lot of what we used to call with Danny, it is simply that we don't have the running attack to take the heat off. I don't see that it has gotten much worse (at least not when you compare last year to the first two bowl years).

As for the DC position, the first was already on staff and Coach West had to get his staff together pretty quickly. He hired from within for a lot of his positions. When it became apparent that he wouldn't keep them at a high level, JLD was the hire. It worked at first, but he would not change his philosophy at all, which lead to the second change. His last DC was a hire simply because he couldn't hire who he really wanted, and when he became available, he was hired.

As for the Coach West is trash line.... PLEASE go say that to his face. And if he is too nice to respond, you could always call me trash to my face. I would enjoy that.

i like tommy like i said before...he is a nice guy. When I came into campus my freshman year, he was the first figure we got to meet at campus. Ya his record at number of bowl games is great, but i personally like wins. How many have we had for all you that bask on bowl games? Record?? are your serious????yay we went 7-6 while 0-3 vs sunbelt last year.2-10 the year before.7-5 in 05 with New Orleans Bowl win..yay.8-4 with loss in gmac..and so on...wow great. Don't question my fan hood just because i'm the only person that wants to admit that we have stunk at football, and no help by tommy west. And half of you memphis fans just became memphis fans because of the ok years. Geez...and love to throw at me that i love ut...really hurts...iam crying right now. ...what reason would i like ut??ha..what a joke

tigernole79 Wrote:First, we all know "facts" are not always facts. Sometimes they are figures that are simply used to prove one persons point, yet they disregard other "facts" to make their point known.

The play calling has gotten back to a lot of what we used to call with Danny, it is simply that we don't have the running attack to take the heat off. I don't see that it has gotten much worse (at least not when you compare last year to the first two bowl years).

As for the DC position, the first was already on staff and Coach West had to get his staff together pretty quickly. He hired from within for a lot of his positions. When it became apparent that he wouldn't keep them at a high level, JLD was the hire. It worked at first, but he would not change his philosophy at all, which lead to the second change. His last DC was a hire simply because he couldn't hire who he really wanted, and when he became available, he was hired.

I resepectfully disagree with your conclusions.

When Danny was QB, West threw in trick plays all the time. He occasionally had Danny pooch kick to keep the other team off guard. He'd call reverses, he'd call a direct snap to the RB, etc. to keep the opposing coaches guessing. His playcalling has become more conventional lately, although that may be due to players he has to work with now compared to then.

Four DCs in seven years shows an inability to make up your mind.

I think the play calling has declined since the changeover at the OC position. I understand Coach West's loyalty and wanting to promote his assistants but I just don't think that Helton was ready.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I resepectfully disagree with your conclusions.

When Danny was QB, West threw in trick plays all the time. He occasionally had Danny pooch kick to keep the other team off guard. He'd call reverses, he'd call a direct snap to the RB, etc. to keep the opposing coaches guessing. His playcalling has become more conventional lately, although that may be due to players he has to work with now compared to then.

Four DCs in seven years shows an inability to make up your mind.

Remember the UTK game two season ago when we were still in the game and he ran a draw up the middle on third and twenty-something. That was when I discovered he had lost his mind and it was time for a change. We may have still lost that game, but we will never know. That play crushed our momentum....

I don't understand the logic of using three different QBs on the same drive as he did in a game earlier this season. It keeps a QB from getting in a rhythm if you yank them after a couple of downs.

Yea, Florida really sucked the year they constantly ran two QBs in a lot of their drives. Sure helped them last year when they only had one QB playing.

I would dare you to watch the tapes of the 2003 season and count the amount of reverses or trick plays and compare them to 2007. I don't think they are as far off as you believe. It is just the success that was gained from some of those plays that makes them more memorable. And just remember it was a trick play that almost killed the 2005 season. If it would've worked and we beat Ole Miss no telling where our team would be these days, but it didn't and it took a great coaching job to pull a bowl game out that season.

As for 3rd and 23, I have seen many teams run draws and screens in that situation. That play alone did not cost us that game, nowhere close. He wasn't even dealing with the offense that game, so your post shows how little you know of what was going on at that time.

I didn't say two QBs on a drive. I said three. Big difference.

I'm not saying he hasn't made good decisions in the past, but it's the trend I find disturbing. He lost every game against Coach O, who wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. You could chalk it up to a difference in talent, or to bad luck.

He is also 0-2 against ASU in the last two years (the total meltdown in this year's game was particularly disheartening). 0-3 against Sun Belt teams. Some people say that the gap between the Sun Belt and C-USA is shrinking. If that's true, it's our fault for letting it happen.

here's some fun stats for discussion

tw vs top 10 teams
0-2 at memphis 0-6 at clemson
tw vs teams 11-20
1-4 at memphis 0-7 at clemson
tw vs teams 21-30
0-3 at memphis 1-4 at clemson
tw vs teams 31-40
0-3 at memphis 1-4 at clemson
tw vs teams 41-50
5-5 at memphis 1-4 at clemson

totals-6-17 at memphis 3-26 at clemson

from collegefootballpoll.com

What would be the difference in using two or three. One of the quaterbacks was only used for one play and I don't think it kept the other two from getting into any type of sinc. There is no logic in that.

Using the fact that he lost 3 games to Coach 0 by a total of less than 11 points and you think that is terrible. Look at our history against Ole Miss. To show that we should have won the last three games speaks volumes for how good a coaching job he has done. We should simply not be in their league, ever. And this is coming from a kool-aid drinking fan. But, their advantages in budget, facilities and tradition should result in their kicking our tails every year. The fact that it doesn't speaks about both of our teams.

Were you at the ASU game. You would've seen a team that took their foot off the gas. We dominated them in the first half and then let up. Once momentum swung, there was not a whole lot we could do to stop it.

And, yet is was also in the middle of the 3 games in 11 days. That was a factor as well.

With everything that has been said in this thread and countless others, if he doesn't have a C-USA title game under his belt by 2009, then I think we should probably look in a new direction. I honestly believe we will get there, so that statement will be invalidated, but if he doesn't then maybe he was just the great coach to set the stage and get the talent here to win. Hey, somewhat the same that he did at Clemson. It was his players that led them to their second best season under Bowden.

I just don't have much optimism that a 7-6 team with three Sun Belt losses can rise above last year's results and compete for a conference title. We have to replace a starting QB who was instrumental in generating those seven wins, as well as a starting RB.

Add an improved Ole Miss team coached by Houston Nutt and replace MTSU with Louisville, and suddenly the schedule has become more difficult.

I'd love to see them pull a shocker this year, but I've seen nothing to give me any hope that it will happen.

its funny that all the people that loves tommy west and doesn't want him to go....its time for a change people

One Eyed Tigra Wrote:its funny that all the people that loves tommy west and doesn't want him to go....its time for a change people

I don't "love" Tommy West, but to call the guy trash, and demean our recruiting class, well, it is just wrong...

I haven't always agreed with everything he has done, but he is our coach.

Grow up.

grow up???wow..thanks..your awesome. Tommy West's coaching ability, play calling, recruiting, etc is trash. People just look into things entirly to far. Read above...I like tommy as a person but he is not a coach