NCAAbbs

Lets have some fun--

question one

1) what do you want Memphis football to be to be measured "successful"? For now, can you work your answer based on the current format for college football?

egrizzard Wrote:Lets have some fun--

question one

1) what do you want Memphis football to be to be measured "successful"? For now, can you work your answer based on the current format for college football?

1) Commitment to championship caliber football. After seven years, we haven't even sniffed a division title, much less a conference championship.

2) Consistently challenging for a Liberty Bowl bid, or BCS bowl game. Again, we are no closer than we were before.

3) 9+ wins per season against a challenging schedule. Seven wins in thirteen games is one game over 50%, which isn't that impressive. Neither is 0-3 against the Sun Belt in a single year.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

egrizzard Wrote:Lets have some fun--

question one

1) what do you want Memphis football to be to be measured "successful"? For now, can you work your answer based on the current format for college football?

1) Commitment to championship caliber football. After seven years, we haven't even sniffed a division title, much less a conference championship.

2) Consistently challenging for a Liberty Bowl bid, or BCS bowl game. Again, we are no closer than we were before.

3) 9+ wins per season against a challenging schedule. Seven wins in thirteen games is one game over 50%, which isn't that impressive. Neither is 0-3 against the Sun Belt in a single year.

I think this is perfectly reasonable.

This is ALMOST what I think is a good measure for success. When TW makes the 4th most (used to be 3rd most) in C-USA, I think a division title every 3 years is QUITE reasonable. He's got 2 years on my watch to do it. If we can't win a division title in 9 years...it's time to move on.

Having to compete consistently for a BCS bowl berth is impractical...but a good goal to have.

Dream on. The first sentence of number 1 has not even been sniffed. None of the rest will happen until that is done. Pissing and moaning about Tommy is just that. The problem is a long way over his head.

Pressed Rat Wrote:Dream on. The first sentence of number 1 has not even been sniffed. None of the rest will happen until that is done. Pissing and moaning about Tommy is just that. The problem is a long way over his head.

Way over his head? Maybe a good start would be to actually RECRUIT a few D1 prospects and do a better job scheduling. If you have to go the juco route to get that started then so be it.

Basically all he has done to get to a bowl this year is play the absolute worst schedule possible and hope. Good D1 prospects might consider playing in CUSA if you actually play someone OOC. No one is going to be beating down our doors to come play MTSU, Arkansas State or some other bozo. We already have enough bozo programs in CUSA to last us a lifetime.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I do like Tommy as much as anyone who has coached here. Still he needs to wake up and bow to a DeAngelo statue ever single morning.

ddramone Wrote:This is ALMOST what I think is a good measure for success. When TW makes the 4th most (used to be 3rd most) in C-USA, I think a division title every 3 years is QUITE reasonable. He's got 2 years on my watch to do it. If we can't win a division title in 9 years...it's time to move on.

Having to compete consistently for a BCS bowl berth is impractical...but a good goal to have.

So by your standards he should have two division titles by now?

Okay Greg--fair enough.
I appreaciate your candor sir--

2) What "comittment" are you seeking?



3) Is there a team in our conf that fulfills your requirements?

egrizzard Wrote:Okay Greg--fair enough.
I appreaciate your candor sir--

2) What "comittment" are you seeking?



3) Is there a team in our conf that fulfills your requirements?

Commitment is walking the walk and talking the talk. See the basketball program. They have proven a commitment to championship caliber basketball. It started with hiring a coach that many people thought was outside our reach. It progressed with continuous improvement of facilities. It is augmented by creative OOC scheduling and national recruiting.

Is there anyone in our conference who does this in football? No, not the whole package. Many have shown the dedication necessary to win C-USA. They don't seem like they've made the commitment to be a BCS buster.

UCF has made strides with their facilities and coaching. USM and SMU made major offseason hires. Most of the other schools have much better OOC schedules than we do. A couple seem to be making moves to position themselves better during the next round of conference realignments.

Unless there is some super-secret plan that we don't know about, Memphis football will probably remain irrelevant.

FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

ACESFULL, I agree wholeheartedly about the schedule. The whole "support the team no matter who they play" is a bit Pollyanna. When Tennessee comes to town, the Liberty Bowl is near sellout. When ASU comes to town, one of the local supermarkets sells tickets for $5 and it still doesn't draw more than 30K.

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

kpigout Wrote:

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

Laugh at the schedule but he had a heisman finalist, a BCS bid, several national (cable) tv appearances and landed $2 mil a year and a lot of hype. May have been a weak scheudle but he did and is generating some excitement......

kpigout Wrote:

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

Just win, baby. LOL

ACESFULL Wrote:

kpigout Wrote:

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

Laugh at the schedule but he had a heisman finalist, a BCS bid, several national (cable) tv appearances and landed $2 mil a year and a lot of hype. May have been a weak scheudle but he did and is generating some excitement......

The point of your post was...

Quote:We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable.

Then you used Hawaii's schedule as an example. You don't see the irony ?

There are two D1-AA schools on HAwaii's schedule? HOw they get in the BCS with that?

Greg, you're an intelligent guy trying to prove an unintelligent point.

It's not going to happen.

There's no intelligent reason to fire our football coach now.

None.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

ddramone Wrote:This is ALMOST what I think is a good measure for success. When TW makes the 4th most (used to be 3rd most) in C-USA, I think a division title every 3 years is QUITE reasonable. He's got 2 years on my watch to do it. If we can't win a division title in 9 years...it's time to move on.

Having to compete consistently for a BCS bowl berth is impractical...but a good goal to have.

So by your standards he should have two division titles by now?

With Deangelo and Danny I would have thought we would have gotten one out of those two years. Remember how Corso called us a BCS sleeper in 2004? Well, after barely beating ASU (TW's nemesis) it all unraveled and we ended the year in a downpour in the ugliest city near an ocean.

oldtiger Wrote:Greg, you're an intelligent guy trying to prove an unintelligent point.

It's not going to happen.

There's no intelligent reason to fire our football coach now.

None.

If we don't go at least 7-5 next year TW should be fired. USM saw the handwriting on the wall with Bower.

tigertommy Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

ddramone Wrote:This is ALMOST what I think is a good measure for success. When TW makes the 4th most (used to be 3rd most) in C-USA, I think a division title every 3 years is QUITE reasonable. He's got 2 years on my watch to do it. If we can't win a division title in 9 years...it's time to move on.

Having to compete consistently for a BCS bowl berth is impractical...but a good goal to have.

So by your standards he should have two division titles by now?

With Deangelo and Danny I would have thought we would have gotten one out of those two years. Remember how Corso called us a BCS sleeper in 2004? Well, after barely beating ASU (TW's nemesis) it all unraveled and we ended the year in a downpour in the ugliest city near an ocean.

Didn't help that one of UL's best teams happened that year.

fsquid Wrote:

tigertommy Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

ddramone Wrote:This is ALMOST what I think is a good measure for success. When TW makes the 4th most (used to be 3rd most) in C-USA, I think a division title every 3 years is QUITE reasonable. He's got 2 years on my watch to do it. If we can't win a division title in 9 years...it's time to move on.

Having to compete consistently for a BCS bowl berth is impractical...but a good goal to have.

So by your standards he should have two division titles by now?

With Deangelo and Danny I would have thought we would have gotten one out of those two years. Remember how Corso called us a BCS sleeper in 2004? Well, after barely beating ASU (TW's nemesis) it all unraveled and we ended the year in a downpour in the ugliest city near an ocean.

Didn't help that one of UL's best teams happened that year.

No it didn't but we were not even close. We lost to mediocre UC and UAB on top of the nearly BCS bound UL. We finished 3 games out of the division chamionship and we were supposed to challenge. Now that I think back about it that was a huge letdown.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

egrizzard Wrote:Okay Greg--fair enough.
I appreaciate your candor sir--

2) What "comittment" are you seeking?



3) Is there a team in our conf that fulfills your requirements?

Commitment is walking the walk and talking the talk. See the basketball program.

...good idea. "See the basketball program" and let's end all of this whining. We have a national champion caliber basketball team in the middle of what appears to be a "season to remember". It's a shame that we've got a "top 2" basketball team right now and we're wasting our time complaining. Please give it a rest.....enjoy this moment while you can.

I just remembered that we finished 2nd. Forgot about the blow out to UC

tigertommy Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:Greg, you're an intelligent guy trying to prove an unintelligent point.

It's not going to happen.

There's no intelligent reason to fire our football coach now.

None.

If we don't go at least 7-5 next year TW should be fired. USM saw the handwriting on the wall with Bower.

He's not calling for Tommy to be fired after next season, he's calling for his dismissal now.
I think all of us have higher expectations going forward, but to call for Tommy's dismissal now is lunacy.

OK, since I've been called out let's hear it from everyone else.


What is the cutoff point (i.e. how many wins) between Tommy being on the hot seat and Tommy being considered successful?

He should (and I think is) feeling the hot seat right now. Big money backers can't be happy. I am only happy because I had fun in New Orleans but talking to an opposing fan about our present situation I have to talk about us as if we were on the level of Rhodes. We were relevant 3 years ago. Now we are a joke. A joke that lost a bowl game to a team that wasn't playing football until a few years ago. Next year is huge for TW and I think he knows it. Firing him this year would be a bit premature.

oldtiger Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

egrizzard Wrote:Okay Greg--fair enough.
I appreaciate your candor sir--

2) What "comittment" are you seeking?



3) Is there a team in our conf that fulfills your requirements?

Commitment is walking the walk and talking the talk. See the basketball program.

...good idea. "See the basketball program" and let's end all of this whining. We have a national champion caliber basketball team in the middle of what appears to be a "season to remember". It's a shame that we've got a "top 2" basketball team right now and we're wasting our time complaining. Please give it a rest.....enjoy this moment while you can.

I'm enjoying the heck out of the basketball season. I even went to a road game. Calipari is the best basketball coach the university has ever had.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I even went to a road game.

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I even went to a road game.

Did you go to a road basketball game this season Mr. Funny Guy?

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I even went to a road game.

Did you go to a road basketball game this season Mr. Funny Guy?

Yep.

And I didn't just happen to be in town while the Tigers were playing there, either.

You are a sensitive sort of guy, aren't you?

egrizzard Wrote:Lets have some fun--

question one

1) what do you want Memphis football to be to be measured "successful"? For now, can you work your answer based on the current format for college football?

Calling out TOGC is like calling out a doorstop or a throw pillow.

Stammers Wrote:

egrizzard Wrote:Lets have some fun--

question one

1) what do you want Memphis football to be to be measured "successful"? For now, can you work your answer based on the current format for college football?

Calling out TOGC is like calling out a doorstop or a throw pillow.

sums it up pretty nicely

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

egrizzard Wrote:Okay Greg--fair enough.
I appreaciate your candor sir--

2) What "comittment" are you seeking?



3) Is there a team in our conf that fulfills your requirements?

Commitment is walking the walk and talking the talk. See the basketball program.

...good idea. "See the basketball program" and let's end all of this whining. We have a national champion caliber basketball team in the middle of what appears to be a "season to remember". It's a shame that we've got a "top 2" basketball team right now and we're wasting our time complaining. Please give it a rest.....enjoy this moment while you can.

I'm enjoying the heck out of the basketball season. I even went to a road game. Calipari is the best basketball coach the university has ever had.

this is just too funny...you just keep on hanging your hat on your road game (that you just happened to be in town for) to Cincy....boy, to think we were sitting almost close enough to touch is scary! oldtiger, with all due respect to you sir, I fail to see intelligence anywhere with anything he says?

the other Greg Childers Wrote:OK, since I've been called out let's hear it from everyone else.


What is the cutoff point (i.e. how many wins) between Tommy being on the hot seat and Tommy being considered successful?

Since you asked...I think we have seen the best Tommy has to offer. He did not do much at Clemson, a BCS school in a what I call a weak BCS conferance. He has not done much at Memphis. Yes, we have been to bowl games but come on there are what 25 + bowl games out there. I do not buy into all the talk that an on campus stadium will make us a better program, better facilities would help yes.

The Clemson fans in Charlotte remind me that we have seen the best TW has to offer so maybe I am a little tainted.

I would like to see Memphis take a shot at a new coach, even if we take a step back it will not be a big step. I think we have more to gain from taking that chance then what we have to loose.

Clemson fans use English? You'll have to show me these.

Tigertaw Wrote:He has not done much at Memphis.

LOL. Who are you comparing him to? He's given us great years and a lot of joy. Put it to rest.

georgiatiger Wrote:

kpigout Wrote:

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

Just win, baby. LOL

June Jones did...all of them but one.....

Another thing, is this really smack?? It seems like an open discussion to me, no uglines or name calling. I know people do not share the same opinion as TOGC but he has not been ugly and seems to use logic/facts in his argument. Are we all really that worried about this????

TigerChick Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:

kpigout Wrote:

ACESFULL Wrote:FWIW I think there are three keys to getting good talent in any program. Facilites are helpful but as many programs have shown, not the only component. One I agree with Spiderman79X on is that we have to get some attractiveness to the schedule. We have enough weak teams in this conference we need to get some attractive teams or conferences in here that are a challenge yet winable such as Iowa State, Baylor, Northwestern, Purdue, Pitt, etc. BCS conferences and challenging games that are winable. The other thing that will draw talent is a coach with a vision, passion and can relate and attract talent and provides a fun offense and defense. Just look at Cal. I think June Jones will bring some of that to the conference and SMU will certainly see a lot of improvement IMO.

You're using June Jones as an example ? LMAO !!!!!

Here is Hawaii's schedule this year:

2007 Hawaii Warriors Schedule
Date OPPONENT TIME (ET) Location Result
Sat, Sep 1st, 2007 Northern_Colorado 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (63 - 6)
Sat, Sep 8th, 2007 at Louisiana_Tech 07:00 PM Joe Aillet Stadium W (45 - 44)
Sat, Sep 15th, 2007 at U-N-L-V 09:30 PM Sam Boyd Stadium W (49 - 14)
Sat, Sep 22nd, 2007 Char_Southern 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (66 - 10)
Sat, Sep 29th, 2007 at Idaho 05:00 PM Kibbie Dome W (48 - 20)
Sat, Oct 6th, 2007 Utah_State 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (52 - 37)
Fri, Oct 12th, 2007 at San_Jose_St 08:00 PM Spartan Stadium W (42 - 35)
Sat, Oct 27th, 2007 New_Mexico_St 11:59 PM Aloha Stadium W (50 - 13)
Sat, Nov 10th, 2007 Fresno_State 11:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (37 - 30)
Fri, Nov 16th, 2007 at Nevada 11:05 PM Mackay Stadium W (28 - 26)
Fri, Nov 23rd, 2007 Boise_State 09:05 PM Aloha Stadium W (39 - 27)
Sat, Dec 1st, 2007 Washington 11:30 PM Aloha Stadium W (35 - 28)


Quite a list of heavyweights there, huh? He will do the same at SMU.

Just win, baby. LOL

June Jones did...all of them but one.....

Another thing, is this really smack?? It seems like an open discussion to me, no uglines or name calling. I know people do not share the same opinion as TOGC but he has not been ugly and seems to use logic/facts in his argument. Are we all really that worried about this????

You should start your own board and run it however you see fit because almost all of your posts now are complaining about how this board is run. You used to add to the discussion.

I don't have a problem with how this board is run nor do I have a problem with how FUT's board is run. Go to any big-time D1 school, and you'll find a board run much stricter than this one.

ballhog Wrote:You should start your own board and run it however you see fit because almost all of your posts now are complaining about how this board is run. You used to add to the discussion.

...and in turn, you should not get so wound up when people have a different opinion than you on a message board.

tigergreen Wrote:

ballhog Wrote:You should start your own board and run it however you see fit because almost all of your posts now are complaining about how this board is run. You used to add to the discussion.

...and in turn, you should not get so wound up when people have a different opinion than you on a message board.

Vive le difference!

tigergreen Wrote:

ballhog Wrote:You should start your own board and run it however you see fit because almost all of your posts now are complaining about how this board is run. You used to add to the discussion.

...and in turn, you should not get so wound up when people have a different opinion than you on a message board.

I'm not wound up at all. Actually, I'm more disappointed than anything. Chick used to add a LOT to the board. Now, I have to sort through the complaints to find her good posts.

Also, I don't think she has a different opinion than me in this situation, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

ballhog Wrote:

tigergreen Wrote:

ballhog Wrote:You should start your own board and run it however you see fit because almost all of your posts now are complaining about how this board is run. You used to add to the discussion.

...and in turn, you should not get so wound up when people have a different opinion than you on a message board.

I'm not wound up at all. Actually, I'm more disappointed than anything. Chick used to add a LOT to the board. Now, I have to sort through the complaints to find her good posts.

Also, I don't think she has a different opinion than me in this situation, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

no worries; i stand corrected.
the tone of your post just sounded like "if you don't agree with it; go start your own board."

moving right along, then...

Wow you called him out so bad ....he got banned

calfan1 Wrote:Wow you called him out so bad ....he got banned

Courtesy of the Thought Police.

What got him banned?

Big Ol Pimp Wrote:What got him banned?

not much of anything, imo.

but being too "anti-university" is the official reason...and it's not permanent; just for one month.

the thread in the smack forum on walton becoming the DC is where I think it stemmed from.

Its a dadgum shame that every time a discusion is started about football it degenerates to smack.

egrizzard Wrote:Its a dadgum shame that every time a discusion is started about football it degenerates to smack.

Well it did start with you calling him out. It is funny though. I imagine he was already on the defensive.

I also said lets have some fun.

TOGC and I have had numerous discussions, never agree, and get along just fine.

Also, it was a reference to a "way back" post in the political forum.

egrizzard Wrote:I also said lets have some fun.

TOGC and I have had numerous discussions, never agree, and get along just fine.

Also, it was a reference to a "way back" post in the political forum.

I do agree with him some of the time. The guy is pretty funny. Oh well, my understanding is he will be back soon. He is not completely wrong, just poor delivery sometimes.