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The BE Co-Champion have lost to two ACC teams VA and Wake. VA also beat Pitt who beat WVU, the other BE Co-Champion. Maybe this will quieten the BE fans who like to bash the BE.

Chumpion, I can't believe you wrote "Maybe this will quieten the BE fans who like to bash the BE." What BE fans do you know that bash the BE? You are crazy. You must have meant to say BE fans who like to bash the ACC.

That would be me.

UCONN won a few conference games but by now you know they are no WVU, our true conference champs. But go ahead. Have your day. Wake (WTF) Forest beat the mighty BEast in a bowl game. Now ACC fans across the country can rejoice. It is true. Swofford has built the best conference in college football.

The nation is in AWE of the A$$ conference.

Who owns the head to head matchups this year, in 2004, and 2005? They were Champs in the BE. What did Oregon do to USF with a scout team QB?

Btw, just like in 2005, the BE was 0-3 in bowls and was manhandle by other BCS conferences, WVU upsets UGA in the Sugar Bowl, everything else is forgotten. The BE was 0-2 in bowl games involving BCS teams and had a under .500 record against the other BCS Conferences, WVU beats OU, everything is forgotten again.
When is Cuse going to start adding to the BE's success? It is funny that you waited until WVU won to post. WVU's wins are not part of Cuse's success.

Just thought I'd point out... 7 losses in a row in BCS bowl games for the ACC, 1-8 overall.

By the way, talk to anybody who has a clue about football and they would tell you that UConn was nowhere near the top of the Big East, no matter what the record turned out to be. Cincinnati was the 2nd best team hands down, and they beat UConn 27-3 a week before WVU destroyed UConn.

By your thinking VT's egg against KU has no effect on the ACC or UM. It means UM sucks in a conference that sucks. Therefore you can conclude that UM really, really sucks.

The Cuse plays in a tough conference as proven by out BCS success. If the Cuse played in the ACC we would be running the tables just like BC did. The BE is too tough for the Cuse right now. It's becoming a sucker-free conference. We need to beat up on some suckers like UM to get our confidence back. Can we schedule UM for next season and do to them what UofL did the mighty Sugarcanes, Candycanes, ugh, Hurricanes. Hey, weren't they downgraded to a tropical storm anyways. Or maybe just a summer breeze.


P.S. Here's the new logo for your VT Chokies.

What that make Cuse? Cuse always found a way to choke in games. UM owned Cuse in football. In 97 and 98, Cuse when Cuse was top dog in the BE, they still managed to lose major bowls. Even NC State beat Cuse twice doing those years. I guess all those UM defeats still hurt you Toad. As I pointed it out UM did win 3 BCS Bowls Games, 2000, 2001, and 2003.

What happens to VT and or any ACC school does not affect UM. You should know that Toad. Did Cuse losing two major bowls in 97 and 98 impacted UM? The BE needed WVU to win that game REAL BADLY just like in 2005.

I just wanted to point out that I was wrong... the ACC is now 1-9 in BCS games, losers of 8 in a row.

The Big East did not need to have WVU win, the conference was rated anywhere from 2nd to 4th best this year (based on each poll). Anybody who believes WVU had to win needs to live in today's reality, not the reality of 4 years ago.

Why are you all hiding behind another team's succeess? WVU's wins are not a part of Cincy's success. Cincy did not beat GA or OU in any one of those BCS bowls. Once again VT losing in a BCS bowl will not impact UM. Yeah, the ACC have a bad record in BCS Bowls, however, UM won 3 BCS Bowls Games in 2000, 2001, and 2003 something that always get left out of that statement. This coming from a conference who used UL's top 10 finish in 2004.

I think People Chumpion is about 13. We better leave him alone.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...eamid=1968

Thanks for the link.

That was then. This is now. The players and coaches on that Miami team have all moved on. That was the BE Miami. The ACC Miami is only slightly better than Syracuse. Hopefully the two teams will meet up again and we can start a current history.

I guess you have to live in the past when you are a Miami fan. Miami used to be good. Used to be....

Miami will be fine, they got the right guy. Plus, I was watching that college football recruiting show and I am interested to see how that linebacker coming in turns out. He's like 6'1 200, but I guess they think he'll bulk up and be dominant.

The fact is the ACC owns the the head to head matchups this year, just like they did in 2004 and 2005. Even during the McNabb Era, Cuse was not a great team. Are you running out of things to say, since I have been using hardcore facts to back my statements.
Cuse does not own a victory over the ACC in a BCS Bowl. At least UM have 3 BCS wins, can Cuse say the same, nope. All you do is gloat about what WVU or UL did in their BCS Bowls. It would be nice if Cuse won a BCS Bowl.

If would be nice if the ACC won a BCS bowl... simple as that.

Honestly, I think that the ACC's expansion, at least on the field, has been a total failure. I don't think you can argue any other way. On top of that people are now beginning to question how good of a football conference the ACC is, something they weren't really doing before the expansion. The number of fans in the stands the last two years for the championship game is nothing to write home about either...

Off the field the money has been nice, I'm sure. You never know if they will garner as much money for the ACC championship game or regular season TV rights down the road, however, if people don't believe there are any national title contenders in the league.

As far as Cincinnati, I don't think UC needs to ride on the accomplishments of WVU. They gave VT a good game last year at VT. VT comes to Cincinnati in 2009. They play at Oklahoma this year. They just hammered Oregon State this year, who finished 3rd? in the PAC 10. They also will finish the season as a member of the AP top 25, something they have never done before (they've been ranked, never finished a year ranked, however). In my opinion that shows that the Big East has opened up all kinds of doors for Cincinnati, not to mention Louisville and South Florida. All three programs have made great progress in 3 years of being in the BCS, while the teams who left the Big East for Florida for the most part of held steady or even dropped. Two of the three who came aboard certainly have not been the teams that the ACC thought they were getting 5 years ago when they were added to the conference.

It is not like the BE is on solid foundation either. There always talk about split between FB/BB schools. Just look at the BE 3 top teams in 2006:
UL went from a top 10 to a .500 team.
WVU just made a suspect hire in coaching.
Rutgers slid back to the middle of the pack.

The ACC have 3 teams in top 25 compared to the BE 2 teams. Just compare the BE 8 teams against the ACC 8 Bowl teams.

As for the ACC TV contract, it will not be impacted negative when time comes for the contract to be renewed. For one thing the ACC have some good rivalries within their conference. Then also the ACC teams do a good job of scheduling quality OOC opponents. Finally, ACC can use their basketball as leverage much like the BE did to get new TV contract.

As for the Championship Game, Jacksonville was just a bad location period. I think it should rotate between Charlotte and Orlando. Charlotte because it is in the central of ACC country. Orlando because because of the tourist attractions that will make fans travel.

This who conference is better just need to be squash. Just like Cincy pounded Oregon State, Oregon pounded USF with a third string QB.

Unfortunately the BE couldn't use basketball as a leverage, 2 totally separate deals due to different schools being involved on both sides. I also wouldn't say the split makes the foundation weak, I think a split strengthens the BE football side of things. I can't wait for it to happen, personally. The first TV deal after the split will be for HUGE money, as they will negotiate football and basketball together.

It's no comparison. The BE is the better conference by far. At the top the ACC champ has not won a BCS game this century the BE champ is on par with champs from other BCS conferences beating the SEC, ACC and Big12 champion. Meanwhile VT had the easiest BCS game by playing #8 Kansas from the Big 12. Kansas was the third best team in the BIG 12 behind Missouri, and Oklahoma. The BE champ beat Okl. #1 and VT fell to Kansas #3. Not even a real BCS matchup.
The BE also had big BCS wins this year over BCS teams that finished the year ranked. USF beat Auburn(14/15) and of course WVU beat Okl. (8/8) and Cincy beat Oregon State (25/-) current rankings. I guess you can say WF beat UCONN but UCONN is not ranked in the most recent polls. ANd was, at best, ranked 25th in one poll when WF beat them.
Point is, OOC, who ended the season ranked that the ACC has beaten this year? That's right, nobody. Clemson lost to Auburn a team USF beat in Auburn.
Yea, USF lost this year as did UCONN but the ACC was something like 2-6 in bowl games this year.
Champion, I really enjoy harassing you. It has been fun. But while you are trying to prove that the ACC is "as good" as the BE, it's time for me to move on and prove that the BE is better than the Big 10 and Big 12 and , of course, the ACC.
MLB is right. A split will make the BE stronger. Our hope is to next year get two teams into the BCS and split double the money only eight ways and of course we're looking forward to a new football TV contract cha-ching.
Just like the conference we play for, the CUSE will be back on top someday. With the BCS deal secured, there's no reason we can't improve recruiting.
Swofford promised "the best conference in college football" by raiding the BE. Now it's a debate if the ACC is even better than the conference it raided. Right now, most of America would say the BE is better. After all, at the bottom of both conferences, Syracuse is certainly better than Duke. and at the top, well the ACC does not have a top. It just has a middle and a bottom.
Good luck to you and Miami- we used to call them Slimeami- and BC (benedict college) and the ACC. I believe even after a split the BE has an impressive BB lineup with every team on the FB school side having made a final four with the exception of USF. IN fact of the 16 BB schools in the BE only 1, USF, has never made a final four in BB.
ON the other hand, Miami, VT and even BC, yes BC, none of the schools that left the BE have ever played in a final four in BB. And now, my friend, we're moving into BB season.
Of course you won't want to compare Miami's BB to Syracuse's so we'll have nothing to debate there.

I will be glad for Cuse to start winning again, so Toad will not have to brag about another team's accomplishments. The ACC #8 team Maryland had a better better record than Cuse which is the BE #8 team. Just compare the records of the ACC 8 Bowl teams to the BE 8 teams.

Umm... 8 vs 8 is not a fair comparison, PC. Cuse was by far the worst team in the Big East, and didn't get the opportunity to play against teams like Duke, UNC, NC State, etc. A better comparison is last place vs last place, 4th vs 6th, etc. (compare by percentage, not actual place).

you're comparing teams that made bowl games to teams that did not make bowl games. Since the ACC has 12 teams take the top four and the bottom four and then make a comparison. take out the middle four. Now what do you see? We beat you at the top and at the bottom.
At any rate the ACC is hardly the superconference Swofford promised.

P.S. How low do you think Miami will fall before they start winning. I think USF is the king of south Florida.

We have been down this road before during the Butch Davis' Era. USF is not in South Florida and we barely go head to head in recruiting battles with them. I just be glad when Cuse can come bowl eligible again, so you can stop with the nonsense.

They may not be in South FLorida but they are still taking over south Florida. Just like WVU is not in Georgia but after beating UGA and Ga. Tech they were the kings of Georgia- for a minute. USF is coming soon to grill UM and take over SOuth FLorida.

Hey Chumpion, Honestly, isn't it kinda lonely here on these ACC boards. I mean like we're the only ones ever here. I'm going back to the BEastie boards where there's more excitment. YOu stay here and think of some things to write about.

Just because Cuse lost New York to Rutgers and others does not mean UM will lose South Florida to USF. USF have not taken over the Tampa Area, the top recruits still go to UF,FSU, or other established top programs. Just worry about your own team getting out the slump, they have been in since McNabb left. Quit hiding behind other teams' success.

Syracuse football sucks! They should go indy and schedule Colgate. Also, change those ugly uniforms!

The Cuse is one of seven schools that hold a national title in both Football and Basketball. Can your school say that? OF course not, unless your school is named the CUSE.
We are legend. You guys ain't even worthy enought to say our name. DOn't even say it. Don't even think it. I can tell you are thinking of it. Especially you Chumpion. Your tongue could catch fire. Only I can say "The CUSE." And you guys should feel blessed I said it in your presence. You're welcome.

SO what our football is a little lacking and BB team in kinda young and our BB coach has been here before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth. YOu know and I know, we'll be back on top soon enough. And oh yea, "CHUMPION" is NOT a typo.

Even though the CUSE is not in the ACC I heard Coach Robinson is going to try to play the ACC conference schedule instead of the BEast conference schedule. He's just trying to rack up some wins like VT and BC are getting off you suckers.

Ha! Cuse, what a cute sounding name. The Cuse Orange. Did you guys get castrated and lose the "men" or what?

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?confid=11 Cuse's record against the ACC

UM won Nationals championships in baseball as well. Toad, I am glad you can use the BE as a shield to cover up for how bad Cuse sucked since the McNabb left.

Chumpion you have lost your mind.
Take a total look at the Cuse's record against the ACC. The final numbers are 68-74. The current ACC beat the Cuse by six games. Now take a closer look. The Cuse against Miami is 7-15. Miami beat the Cuse by 8 games back inthe days when Miami had a winning record against everybody. But also, I hope you understand this, If you take Miami out of the picture, Syracuse has a winning record against the current ACC. (Read that last sentence again.)
Take out Miami and the Cuse is 61-59 against the current ACC.

McNabb can't be responsible for all 61 of those wins. Against VT, BC and UM, the Cuss is 44-40. A winning record against our former BE rivals.

Yea, so Chumpion thanks for the link but what's your point? And I hope you are not saying the name "Cuse" because I told you you're not worthy.

Toad, you can not argue with the facts that are being presented. The fact of the matter is Cuse have a losing record against the ACC Period. Even with UM,VT,And BC out the equation, Cuse is still 24-34 against the ACC. Yet all you can do is brag about other teams' success.

Did you look at the recruiting rankings this year? This was USF greatest year and one of UM's worst years, however the results still remained the same in recruiting. The top recruiting experts said that USF got destroyed when going head to head with any of the Big 3. The top OOS programs still got remaining top recruits that Big # did not get. USF's success depends on hardships waivers, transfers, and JC players.