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Just to clean up the boards a bit, I suggest moving the remainder of the discussion about Tommy West and the football program here. There's no need to race across 15 different threads, when we can discuss it here.

I'll agree to keep the discussion polite, and use facts to back up my statements. I recommend that everyone else do the same.

I'll refrain from calling people "happy clappers." I recommend that everyone else refrain from calling me and others who agree as "miserables."

Let's have an honest, intelligent debate about the state of the football program, and do it without animosity. Let's see if we can do it.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Just to clean up the boards a bit, I suggest moving the remainder of the discussion about Tommy West and the football program here. There's no need to race across 15 different threads, when we can discuss it here.

I'll agree to keep the discussion polite, and use facts to back up my statements. I recommend that everyone else do the same.

I'll refrain from calling people "happy clappers." I recommend that everyone else refrain from calling me and others who agree as "miserables."

Let's have an honest, intelligent debate about the state of the football program, and do it without animosity. Let's see if we can do it.

Have you not been getting enough attention on the 47 other threads in which you have made the same unimaginative point?

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Just to clean up the boards a bit, I suggest moving the remainder of the discussion about Tommy West and the football program here. There's no need to race across 15 different threads, when we can discuss it here.

I'll agree to keep the discussion polite, and use facts to back up my statements. I recommend that everyone else do the same.

I'll refrain from calling people "happy clappers." I recommend that everyone else refrain from calling me and others who agree as "miserables."

Let's have an honest, intelligent debate about the state of the football program, and do it without animosity. Let's see if we can do it.

We need speed and lots of it. At this current time, we have none.

Memphis Tigers home attendance (football):

2003 - 40,622
2004 - 41,175
2005 - 39,991
2006 - 32,440
2007 - 29,670

Points scored minus points allowed for each of the last seven years:

2001 (+13)
2002 (-24)
2003 (+143)
2004 (+55)
2005 (+50)
2006 (-84)
2007 (-39)

Sagarin College football rankings (includes both D1A and D1AA teams):

2000 - 103
2001 - 90
2002 - 104
2003 - 60
2004 - 75
2005 - 70
2006 - 135
2007 - 123

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Just to clean up the boards a bit, I suggest moving the remainder of the discussion about Tommy West and the football program here. There's no need to race across 15 different threads, when we can discuss it here.

I'll agree to keep the discussion polite, and use facts to back up my statements. I recommend that everyone else do the same.

I'll refrain from calling people "happy clappers." I recommend that everyone else refrain from calling me and others who agree as "miserables."

Let's have an honest, intelligent debate about the state of the football program, and do it without animosity. Let's see if we can do it.

just curious...did Tommy West run over your dog or something?

your obsession is becoming a little old.

Memphis defensive points allowed games 1-6: 180
Memphis defensive points allowed games 7-12: 249

Memphis defensive points allowed during the entire 2003 season (13 games): 250

Consolidated? Does this mean King Willie is running the whole county now?

the truly sad part of all this is....he just doesn't get it

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Memphis defensive points allowed games 1-6: 180
Memphis defensive points allowed games 7-12: 249

Memphis defensive points allowed during the entire 2003 season (13 games): 250

that about sums it up...

Sagarin College football conference rankings (includes both D1A and D1AA conferences):

2000 - 7
2001 - 8
2002 - 8
2003 - 9
2004 - 11
2005 - 9
2006 - 10
2007 - 14

Memphis' overall SOS ranking:

2000 - 95
2001 - 88
2002 - 89
2003 - 113
2004 - 97
2005 - 94
2006 - 96
2007 - 131

missjtiger, RandyMc, UMTigerfan, tigerjeb, TigerBill......would you like to contribute to the honest, intelligent debate?

HoopDreams Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Memphis defensive points allowed games 1-6: 180
Memphis defensive points allowed games 7-12: 249

Memphis defensive points allowed during the entire 2003 season (13 games): 250

that about sums it up...

Yep, I think FAU just scored again.

sure. let me know where to find one.

tigerjeb Wrote:sure. let me know where to find one.

ouch.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:missjtiger, RandyMc, UMTigerfan, tigerjeb, TigerBill......would you like to contribute to the honest, intelligent debate?

I told you to add me to your list.

When is someone intelligent coming by this thread to discuss this with us?

Memphis Tigers football coaches' winning percentages:

Allyn McKeen 68.4%
Billy J. Murphy 67.3%
Lester Barnhard 65.8%
Fred Pancoast 62.1%
Ralph Hatley 57.5%
V.M. "Bic" Campbell 50.0%
Richard Williamson 48.5%
C.C. Humphreys 48.3%
Tommy West 48.2%

Memphis Tigers football coaches' tenure:

Billy J. Murphy 14 seasons
Zach Curlin 13 seasons
Ralph Hatley 11 seasons
Tommy West 7 seasons
Richard Williamson, Charles R. "Chuck" Stobart, Rip Scherer 6 seasons

Will anyone defend Coach Tommy West?

Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

Chi-Town Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:missjtiger, RandyMc, UMTigerfan, tigerjeb, TigerBill......would you like to contribute to the honest, intelligent debate?

I told you to add me to your list.

When is someone intelligent coming by this thread to discuss this with us?

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No, vait. Ve DON'T haff you on our leest. Vy do you vant to be on our leest? That is very suspcious. Be careful, or ve PUT you on our leest.

Tigers23 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Just to clean up the boards a bit, I suggest moving the remainder of the discussion about Tommy West and the football program here. There's no need to race across 15 different threads, when we can discuss it here.

I'll agree to keep the discussion polite, and use facts to back up my statements. I recommend that everyone else do the same.

I'll refrain from calling people "happy clappers." I recommend that everyone else refrain from calling me and others who agree as "miserables."

Let's have an honest, intelligent debate about the state of the football program, and do it without animosity. Let's see if we can do it.

We need speed and lots of it. At this current time, we have none.

Agreed, but how is it being addressed?

What does anyone know about Arkelon Hall?

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

Based on public statements, it appears that Dr. Raines and RC are not in any hurry to upgrade the facilities. I strongly agree that we need to keep pressure on them to give the football team the same level of commitment as they have for the basketball team. Money doesn't guarantee anything, as teams with smaller budgets have beaten us several times this year, but it is a step in the right direction.

I think we should fire JLD! That would answer all the defensive problems

TigerBill Wrote:

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

I fully agree that denying a coach an extension can hurt his recruiting efforts. However, if we fail to see real improvement we have no choice but to make a coaching change.

I strongly agree that the buyout clause needs to be reworked, so that if we don't see significant improvement in the football program we aren't held hostage to a hefty buyout clause.

Currently, Tommy has no real accountability to speak of.

Dwarren Wrote:I think we should fire JLD! That would answer all the defensive problems

When you go through three defensive coordinators in seven years, I think the problem may be elsewhere.

Wow, could we move this off of our main board?

The "net" of all of this is that there are differing opinions regarding our rate of success. Some of us have tried to be respectful in our discussions until pushed beyond the limits of reasonableness. Everyone has their limits.

This display isn't doing any of us any good on the main board. Let the discussions continue on the miserable board if anyone wants to.

TigerBill Wrote:

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

Instead of extension I should have said raise. I think 900K is enough. Now maybe assistants salaries should be addressed but I am not privy to the amount they are being paid. Seems like we have a lot of assistant turnover every year which may be the main problem with recruiting although IMO we have been lazy in the last few years especially the last 2 deangelo years

Nah Greg it was all JLD'S fault! He didnt get us any players and thats still the reason why the D sucks.

calfan1 Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

Instead of extension I should have said raise. I think 900K is enough. Now maybe assistants salaries should be addressed but I am not privy to the amount they are being paid. Seems like we have a lot of assistant turnover every year which may be the main problem with recruiting although IMO we have been lazy in the last few years especially the last 2 deangelo years

Raise? No. Okay, $1k just so he can say he got one if that makes an inpact on recruiting. But for Memphis at our current place, $900k seems more than fair. And you're right about the assistants, the head coach is only the start.

oldtiger Wrote:Wow, could we move this off of our main board?

The "net" of all of this is that there are differing opinions regarding our rate of success. Some of us have tried to be respectful in our discussions until pushed beyond the limits of reasonableness. Everyone has their limits.

This display isn't doing any of us any good on the main board. Let the discussions continue on the miserable board if anyone wants to.

I disagree. If we can keep the discussion honest, and without insult, it definitely belongs here. Moving it would only stifle open discussion and unfairly categorize it.

Why are people hesitant to take an honest look at the program?

calfan1 Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

Instead of extension I should have said raise. I think 900K is enough. Now maybe assistants salaries should be addressed but I am not privy to the amount they are being paid. Seems like we have a lot of assistant turnover every year which may be the main problem with recruiting although IMO we have been lazy in the last few years especially the last 2 deangelo years

I've heard that we have been less than generous with our assistant coaches' salaries, and that definitely needs to be addressed.

At the same time, the program is losing money due to decreased ticket sales. Except for the hardcore base, the average fan has lost interest in the program and something has to be done to increase attendance at the games. Winning usually cures everything, but we lost attendance this year even with an improvement over last year's 2-10 record.

I think Tommy does great PSA's on the Radio. They have helped me to stop drinking and driving.

I vote lets keep him.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

calfan1 Wrote:Look Im not ready to fire Tommy just yet. Nor do I think he should be extended until he gets us to the next level which is IMO a division title. Without a doubt TW needs to do a better job on defense, special teams and recruiting. Also if he is being hampered by our administration whether it be RC or Dr Raines he should do like Cal does and hit the fedexes and other big boosters for support. Without a doubt the buck stops with tommy, but right now this university cant afford a buyout if we can afford any upgrades

This is where I stand with one exception: you have to extend the coach or he cannot recruit. I suggest you rework the buyout as part of the extension.And I think our big supporters are about big supported out unless it's for something special, like an OCS.

I fully agree that denying a coach an extension can hurt his recruiting efforts. However, if we fail to see real improvement we have no choice but to make a coaching change.

I strongly agree that the buyout clause needs to be reworked, so that if we don't see significant improvement in the football program we aren't held hostage to a hefty buyout clause.

Currently, Tommy has no real accountability to speak of.

WHAT IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS????????

Hey Greg after you are finish with the horse I'll take the carcass.... I need some more glue to help patch the hole in my wall where I have pounding my head all day after reading your babel for the past few days... jeesh are you special... did you not get enough attention over the holidays...

Do you need a hug??? Well maybe some else can give it you.....

I am very happy to see that someone out there at least cares enough to discuss the crumbling of the football program. Memphis has huge potential in football if there was a balls to the wall commitment. What I see is someone stating damn strong facts that the football program is going straight to hell, and others making silly little jokes about it. You f ers need to stop laughing at yourselves so much and realize that we are headed for disaster next year. I bet you comedians won't think it is so funny when Ole Miss pounds us like a porn star will ya? Or when UCF comes up here and hangs another half dollar on us. Or when we lose a few starters and we get the holy piss beat out of us by another piece of crap CUSA cellar dweller. Maybe then there will be some people out there that get sick of this bs, because I know i am already there.

Dwarren Wrote:Nah Greg it was all JLD'S fault! He didnt get us any players and thats still the reason why the D sucks.

I think most people agree that Joe Lee Dunn doesn't recruit. The problem appears to be deeper than that. Here are the defensive points allowed per game for each of Tommy's seven years as head coach:

2001 - 25.5
2002 - 27.3
2003 - 19.2
2004 - 31.3
2005 - 23.0
2006 - 30.4
2007 - 32.2

Except for 2003, none of them were particularly stellar. To put it into perspective 25 ppg allowed would rank 50th this year in Division 1-A football between Purdue at 24.8 ppg and Arkansas at 25.6.

This year they were 93rd out of 120 teams.

TigerBill Wrote:

Chi-Town Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:missjtiger, RandyMc, UMTigerfan, tigerjeb, TigerBill......would you like to contribute to the honest, intelligent debate?

I told you to add me to your list.

When is someone intelligent coming by this thread to discuss this with us?

Be very careful. Ve haff you on our leest.

No, vait. Ve DON'T haff you on our leest. Vy do you vant to be on our leest? That is very suspcious. Be careful, or ve PUT you on our leest.

That was pretty funny, for you.

For the record, we didn't lose to a cusa cellar dwellar. Our losses were to the cusa champ (UCF) and the team that just beat nationally ranked Boise State in the Hawaii bowl (ECU).

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Why are people hesitant to take an honest look at the program?

Who is not honest? Some think Tommy West is fully capable of leading the program to its potential. Some don't. Months ago, it was discussed. Nothing has changed along that time. You fire the coach...............done that many times before. You upgrade facilities, budgets, etc...................not done that so much. Why not do that? You have tried the other.

It makes no sense to fire the coach when the underlying program is not changed.

All the stuff you posted above just shows that we had two poor seasons. This year was not as bad as the last one. No one is overjoyed about 7-6. You cannot seem to grasp that so why would anyone want to bother with you?

I can guarantee you that the people in charge are 1) pleased we went to a bowl this year; 2) anxious to see additional improvement. I can live with that.

Your only action related to this program is to sit in judgment from a keyboard. You do not go to games. You do not provide any support for fundraising or to the booster groups. That is fine. But don't expect those that do to say "Thank you. You are bringing us to a new realization of what the Utopia should be".

You upgrade the program's infrastructure and then we can talk coaches. Until then, you look like an ass when you start 17 threads wanting the coach fired.

georgiatiger Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

Chi-Town Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:missjtiger, RandyMc, UMTigerfan, tigerjeb, TigerBill......would you like to contribute to the honest, intelligent debate?

I told you to add me to your list.

When is someone intelligent coming by this thread to discuss this with us?

Be very careful. Ve haff you on our leest.

No, vait. Ve DON'T haff you on our leest. Vy do you vant to be on our leest? That is very suspcious. Be careful, or ve PUT you on our leest.

That was pretty funny, for you.

And that's rare praise coming from you.

I am one of those who think that TW is a solid game day coach - we don't turn the ball over too much, we seem to have pretty solid effort for virtually all of our games, we have experienced very little in the way of off-the-field issues.

That said, it seems fairly clear to me that our talent level has been declining versus other C-USA teams - especially UCF and ECU. And, our talent level has been declining versus our PAST (especially on the defensive side of the ball).

To this day, I believe the JLD hiring was an outright disaster. His failure to recruit really came to the fore this year and probably next year as well. Fichtner was a very good recruiter on the offensive side of the ball and whoever was responsible for defensive recruiting (which by default should be TW) has not kept up, to put it mildly.

The 'lack of commitment' argument simply doesn't hold water when TW is 0-4 versus the Sunbelt in the last two years and the fact that we got crushed so convincingly against ECU and UCF. We have a very sophisticated football market here in Memphis and they know when the product ain't so hot...and we have seen a decline in ticket sales as a result.

If next year we go 7-6 and end up in Mobile...I will go to keep my bowl streak intact. However, another 7-6 record will most likely result in very poor attendance again. TW ain't going anywhere this off-season, but he should be, in my opinion, be able to at least win the DIVISION title in either of the next two years or else I think it may be time to look in a new direction. In other words, if TW has not won the division title in 9 years (he's been here 7 years already), then I think it's time to look elsewhere.

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Why are people hesitant to take an honest look at the program?

Who is not honest? Some think Tommy West is fully capable of leading the program to its potential. Some don't. Months ago, it was discussed. Nothing has changed along that time. You fire the coach...............done that many times before. You upgrade facilities, budgets, etc...................not done that so much. Why not do that? You have tried the other.

It makes no sense to fire the coach when the underlying program is not changed.

All the stuff you posted above just shows that we had two poor seasons. This year was not as bad as the last one. No one is overjoyed about 7-6. You cannot seem to grasp that so why would anyone want to bother with you?

I can guarantee you that the people in charge are 1) pleased we went to a bowl this year; 2) anxious to see additional improvement. I can live with that.

Your only action related to this program is to sit in judgment from a keyboard. You do not go to games. You do not provide any support for fundraising or to the booster groups. That is fine. But don't expect those that do to say "Thank you. You are bringing us to a new realization of what the Utopia should be".

You upgrade the program's infrastructure and then we can talk coaches. Until then, you like an ass and when you start 17 threads wanting the coach fired.

Be careful or you'll be on the list.

Wait, you're already on the list. Okay, be careful or you will be OFF the list. But if the list has a limited membership that would open up a spot for Chi-Town, so maybe he's actually trying to get you thrown off the list so he can take your place.

So much intrigue around here.

ddramone Wrote:I am one of those who think that TW is a solid game day coach - we don't turn the ball over too much, we seem to have pretty solid effort for virtually all of our games, we have experienced very little in the way of off-the-field issues.

That said, it seems fairly clear to me that our talent level has been declining versus other C-USA teams - especially UCF and ECU. And, our talent level has been declining versus our PAST (especially on the defensive side of the ball).

To this day, I believe the JLD hiring was an outright disaster. His failure to recruit really came to the fore this year and probably next year as well. Fichtner was a very good recruiter on the offensive side of the ball and whoever was responsible for defensive recruiting (which by default should be TW) has not kept up, to put it mildly.

The 'lack of commitment' argument simply doesn't hold water when TW is 0-4 versus the Sunbelt in the last two years and the fact that we got crushed so convincingly against ECU and UCF. We have a very sophisticated football market here in Memphis and they know when the product ain't so hot...and we have seen a decline in ticket sales as a result.

If next year we go 7-6 and end up in Mobile...I will go to keep my bowl streak intact. However, another 7-6 record will most likely result in very poor attendance again. TW ain't going anywhere this off-season, but he should be, in my opinion, be able to at least win the DIVISION title in either of the next two years or else I think it may be time to look in a new direction. In other words, if TW has not won the division title in 9 years (he's been here 7 years already), then I think it's time to look elsewhere.

Pretty fair summation.

ddramone Wrote:I am one of those who think that TW is a solid game day coach - we don't turn the ball over too much, we seem to have pretty solid effort for virtually all of our games, we have experienced very little in the way of off-the-field issues.

That said, it seems fairly clear to me that our talent level has been declining versus other C-USA teams - especially UCF and ECU. And, our talent level has been declining versus our PAST (especially on the defensive side of the ball).

To this day, I believe the JLD hiring was an outright disaster. His failure to recruit really came to the fore this year and probably next year as well. Fichtner was a very good recruiter on the offensive side of the ball and whoever was responsible for defensive recruiting (which by default should be TW) has not kept up, to put it mildly.

The 'lack of commitment' argument simply doesn't hold water when TW is 0-4 versus the Sunbelt in the last two years and the fact that we got crushed so convincingly against ECU and UCF. We have a very sophisticated football market here in Memphis and they know when the product ain't so hot...and we have seen a decline in ticket sales as a result.

If next year we go 7-6 and end up in Mobile...I will go to keep my bowl streak intact. However, another 7-6 record will most likely result in very poor attendance again. TW ain't going anywhere this off-season, but he should be, in my opinion, be able to at least win the DIVISION title in either of the next two years or else I think it may be time to look in a new direction. In other words, if TW has not won the division title in 9 years (he's been here 7 years already), then I think it's time to look elsewhere.

I think we have talent at least as good as all of the teams in the conference on offense, better than most. Defense, nowhere close. This must be addressed, and we need a QB to step up next year. We don't have one coming back with any proven experience. This is the second time in four years we've had that problem. Really three years since our record was so bad in 06. Time for some continuity at that position. And we need a gamebreaker running back, so Pitts or Barnes are going to have to step up or someone better should be coming in that can play. Doss played with a lot of heart, but he never busted one.

Arkelon Hall is either a jcuo QB or a new dorm, I get confused.

I say give Tommy next year to do better against our out of conference schedule, and compete for the CUSA East championship. It was a freak of nature that we finished in the conference like we did, but played so poorly out of conference. Got to do better and got to get to the Liberty Bowl, if not, the #2 CUSA bowl spot in 08.

If none of that happens next year, then 09 Tommy is on notice and RC needs to start on his short list.

salukiblue Wrote:For the record, we didn't lose to a cusa cellar dwellar. Our losses were to the cusa champ (UCF) and the team that just beat nationally ranked Boise State in the Hawaii bowl (ECU).

We also lost to 3-9 Mississippi, 5-7 ASU, 5-7 MTSU, and 8-5 FAU.

The difference between this year's schedule and last year's is the difference in our record.

Last year our OOC games:

Mississippi
UT-Chattanooga
Tennessee
ASU

This year we played

Mississippi
Jacksonville State
MTSU
ASU

We went 1-3 both times, even though this year we had an easier OOC schedule.

Our conference schedule last year compared to this year was the same, except we exchanged Tulsa, Houston, and UTEP for SMU, Rice, and Tulane. The three teams from last year went a combined 21-16 this year, while our three new opponents went a combined 8-28. Our conference schedule got SIGNIFICANTLY easier.

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Why are people hesitant to take an honest look at the program?

Who is not honest? Some think Tommy West is fully capable of leading the program to its potential. Some don't. Months ago, it was discussed. Nothing has changed along that time. You fire the coach...............done that many times before. You upgrade facilities, budgets, etc...................not done that so much. Why not do that? You have tried the other.

It makes no sense to fire the coach when the underlying program is not changed.

All the stuff you posted above just shows that we had two poor seasons. This year was not as bad as the last one. No one is overjoyed about 7-6. You cannot seem to grasp that so why would anyone want to bother with you?

I can guarantee you that the people in charge are 1) pleased we went to a bowl this year; 2) anxious to see additional improvement. I can live with that.

Your only action related to this program is to sit in judgment from a keyboard. You do not go to games. You do not provide any support for fundraising or to the booster groups. That is fine. But don't expect those that do to say "Thank you. You are bringing us to a new realization of what the Utopia should be".

You upgrade the program's infrastructure and then we can talk coaches. Until then, you look like an ass when you start 17 threads wanting the coach fired.

If facilities are the difference between a good program and a bad one, why have we lost four consecutive games to Sun Belt teams with worse facilities than we have?

Hold on--TOGC asked to discuss football in an intelligent manner and take a critical look at the state of the program, and ya'll are clowning him? I asked him, and others time and time again to talk about the footall season when it was over.

You know one the difference between Memphs and some big time programs? They dicuss their programs year round--not onl that-we want it moved off the main board? calm down. The man asked for an intelligent conversation--- no one is forcing you to enter the talk.

Yes, I will defend TW. Your strength of schedule arguement doesn't hold water. With the exception of the non conf schedule--we have no control over how strong the other teams are. The sos is subjective for one, and in addition, more a reflection the teams in the conf are getting worse.

The defense has gotten worse,and I can in no way defend that. TW has stated that the defense we had was not good enough to win championships, and that he had to start over. I am not blaming JLD,but if you follow the program closely, you know that JLD an "bubba" were awful, awful recruiters. We are paying the price for that now. I will say the time for that excuse has passed, and I don't wanna hear it anymore and I won't go there again. Is Kravitz the answer? Dunno. If I am in charge, he has got next year to show us. I will also say I see loads of potential on this defense, and a few key players can turn the whole thing around. It all starts with the front 4 on defense--if we can start getting some heat from them, it will make the entire defense look better. Even Champ Bailey can't cover the wr forever.

I also say this is chess, not checkers,and we will be okay.
Answer another question for me. Before the first NO bowl, did you ever imagine we would be this upset over a winning season and a bowl game?I say that is proof that TW has the program ina better place than it was.
Whoever called the football program crumbling---come on. That is a joke, right?