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Should Tommy lose his job after the stellar 1-13 record in D-1A football since Delo and Gotti?

Just looking for people's opinion here. I know plenty of reasons to fire him. If you do vote no, I would like to know why.

The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

This is how we need to look at this:

We're mad enough to want to fire TW.
His salary is out of our reach to pay off.
If we're willing to spend upwards of $800K/yr over the next 2 years to hypothetically pay off a coach and buy and new one then let's take that and reinvest it into the program.
Take that money we're willing to pay to dump one and get another to
-increase recruiting budgets
-improve the weight room
-start a campaign for a new indoor training facility

If we're mad enough spend money for the solution, let's do smart instead of repeating the same pattern we've done for the past 30years with the same results.

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

This is how we need to look at this:

We're mad enough to want to fire TW.
His salary is out of our reach to pay off.
If we're willing to spend upwards of $800K/yr over the next 2 years to hypothetically pay off a coach and buy and new one then let's take that and reinvest it into the program.
Take that money we're willing to pay to dump one and get another to
-increase recruiting budgets
-improve the weight room
-start a campaign for a new indoor training facility

If we're mad enough spend money for the solution, let's do smart instead of repeating the same pattern we've done for the past 30years with the same results.

I was going to say something similar. I will summarize with this....

Should they? maybe. Will they? no.

You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

It is not the facilities that is causing our football team to loose. If that was the case, we wouldn't have gone to 3 straight bowl games. That arguement doesn't work. For $1 mil a year, we should have a head coach that can recruit and coach regardless of our facilities. The truth is that Tommy and his staff haven't recruited anyone because they can't recruit worth a damn.

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

I agree. I think all of this talk about being fired, forced resignation, quitting, etc needs to wait until the last game of the season has concluded.

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

Again I say 1-13 in D-I A ball since Delo & Gotti left. I have a pretty good idea where we will end up at the end of the year. Even with a crappy schedule like ours.

FCBE TIGER Wrote:

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

Again I say 1-13 in D-I A ball since Delo & Gotti left. I have a pretty good idea where we will end up at the end of the year. Even with a crappy schedule like ours.

Most likely you are correct, but so what? It is not like you get any positives from firing the guy during the middle of the season. Let the rest of the season play out, see what the final record is and then let the powers that be make the decision. I still don't think it matters anyway. I don't know where the money is going to come from to buy out his contract.

JMSTiger Wrote:

FCBE TIGER Wrote:

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

Again I say 1-13 in D-I A ball since Delo & Gotti left. I have a pretty good idea where we will end up at the end of the year. Even with a crappy schedule like ours.

Most likely you are correct, but so what? It is not like you get any positives from firing the guy during the middle of the season. Let the rest of the season play out, see what the final record is and then let the powers that be make the decision. I still don't think it matters anyway. I don't know where the money is going to come from to buy out his contract.

I completely agree he should not be fired mid-season, but at this point it doesn't really matter, it isn't like he is coaching us to victories anyway.

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

Once again, the buyout is NOT $2.7 million. West's contract with the University stipulates that if he is terminated without cause (i.e. fired) the University has to pay him the remaining years of his BASE SALARY only in the form of a monthly payment. That works out to three years at roughly $13,000 per month to buy out his contract.

He would not receive compensation for radio, television, bonus or endorsement monies that make up the rest of his pay.

RCM1029 Wrote:

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

Once again, the buyout is NOT $2.7 million. West's contract with the University stipulates that if he is terminated without cause (i.e. fired) the University has to pay him the remaining years of his BASE SALARY only in the form of a monthly payment. That works out to three years at roughly $13,000 per month to buy out his contract.

He would not receive compensation for radio, television, bonus or endorsement monies that make up the rest of his pay.

If this is 100% accurate then Tommy better start winning some games in a hurry.

RCM1029 Wrote:

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

Once again, the buyout is NOT $2.7 million. West's contract with the University stipulates that if he is terminated without cause (i.e. fired) the University has to pay him the remaining years of his BASE SALARY only in the form of a monthly payment. That works out to three years at roughly $13,000 per month to buy out his contract.

He would not receive compensation for radio, television, bonus or endorsement monies that make up the rest of his pay.

Sorry but you're wrong.
After his contract was upped, it stipulates he is due full compensation for the remainder of of the contract.
Jimmy Sexton worked his magic.

I don't mind being wrong on this...but I don't think I am.

JMSTiger Wrote:

FCBE TIGER Wrote:

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

Again I say 1-13 in D-I A ball since Delo & Gotti left. I have a pretty good idea where we will end up at the end of the year. Even with a crappy schedule like ours.

Most likely you are correct, but so what? It is not like you get any positives from firing the guy during the middle of the season. Let the rest of the season play out, see what the final record is and then let the powers that be make the decision. I still don't think it matters anyway. I don't know where the money is going to come from to buy out his contract.

Actually firing a coach middle of the season would mean that the AD would have enough time to contact the right fit. Say for instance Tommy is fired after the Marshall game, that would give someone like Larry Porter the opportunity to look over the situation closely and study it while he's still at LSU. Or to got after Boise State's coach, who I would LOVE at Memphis. Whover we go after needs to be a coach who wants to be challenged as Calw as. That was why cal chose us. he saw us as a challenge to make us a power. That's what we need in football if we ever want to be taken serious.

My concern is that if we wait until the end of the season to make changes, then we might rush things just to fill a spot and lose out on a high prolfile coach or assistant coach that might be available.

Mike_M_Tiger Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:[quote=FCBE TIGER]
[quote=uofmwalton]
You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

My concern is that if we wait until the end of the season to make changes, then we might rush things just to fill a spot and lose out on a high prolfile coach or assistant coach that might be available.

Please see Rick Kravitz for reference...

memphodude Wrote:

RCM1029 Wrote:

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

Once again, the buyout is NOT $2.7 million. West's contract with the University stipulates that if he is terminated without cause (i.e. fired) the University has to pay him the remaining years of his BASE SALARY only in the form of a monthly payment. That works out to three years at roughly $13,000 per month to buy out his contract.

He would not receive compensation for radio, television, bonus or endorsement monies that make up the rest of his pay.

Sorry but you're wrong.
After his contract was upped, it stipulates he is due full compensation for the remainder of of the contract.
Jimmy Sexton worked his magic.

I don't mind being wrong on this...but I don't think I am.

Man enough to admit when I'm wrong...

Just re-read the contract and in the First Amendment back in 2004, the University did, in fact, agree to pay the base salary, teleivsion & radio package, and public relations package in case of termination.

What does this mean? Regretably, it probably means we're stuck.

I put NO!!! The reason being look what he has done for this football program. He took to 3 straight bowl games. Which that had not been done in 32 years. I know you could not do a better job then him. Cut him some slack.

RCM1029 Wrote:

memphodude Wrote:

RCM1029 Wrote:

memphodude Wrote:The question is moot.

The athletic department doesn't have $2.7 million to pay him off.
And the boosters are not going to pay it.

Once again, the buyout is NOT $2.7 million. West's contract with the University stipulates that if he is terminated without cause (i.e. fired) the University has to pay him the remaining years of his BASE SALARY only in the form of a monthly payment. That works out to three years at roughly $13,000 per month to buy out his contract.

He would not receive compensation for radio, television, bonus or endorsement monies that make up the rest of his pay.

Sorry but you're wrong.
After his contract was upped, it stipulates he is due full compensation for the remainder of of the contract.
Jimmy Sexton worked his magic.

I don't mind being wrong on this...but I don't think I am.

Man enough to admit when I'm wrong...

Just re-read the contract and in the First Amendment back in 2004, the University did, in fact, agree to pay the base salary, teleivsion & radio package, and public relations package in case of termination.

What does this mean? Regretably, it probably means we're stuck.

Kudos for stepping up!

That's why I say we need to just deal with what comes this season.
Accept the fact that if we're willing to spend money for a solution, we might as well do it and invest in ourselves.

Most of us want the emotional payoff/release that comes with giving someone their walking papers. We'll never be able to extact some measure of revenge on TW so we need to use this as an opportunity to make us better for the future.

Big Poppa Pose Wrote:I put NO!!! The reason being look what he has done for this football program. He took to 3 straight bowl games. Which that had not been done in 32 years. I know you could not do a better job then him. Cut him some slack.

TW didn't take us to these bowl games. DeAngelo Williams, Stephen Gostowski, Mo Avery, Albert Means, and Danny Wimprine took us to the bowl games. Everyone is questioning what he has done without the best talent in school history. He didn't even take us to the CUSA championship with the best talent in school history. I don't understand how people think that he should not lose his job.

I voted no.

But as a UAB fan, I've enjoyed his coaching abilities against us.

Mike_M_Tiger Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

FCBE TIGER Wrote:

uofmwalton Wrote:You have no idea what will happen between now and the end of the season.

Again I say 1-13 in D-I A ball since Delo & Gotti left. I have a pretty good idea where we will end up at the end of the year. Even with a crappy schedule like ours.

Most likely you are correct, but so what? It is not like you get any positives from firing the guy during the middle of the season. Let the rest of the season play out, see what the final record is and then let the powers that be make the decision. I still don't think it matters anyway. I don't know where the money is going to come from to buy out his contract.

Actually firing a coach middle of the season would mean that the AD would have enough time to contact the right fit. Say for instance Tommy is fired after the Marshall game, that would give someone like Larry Porter the opportunity to look over the situation closely and study it while he's still at LSU. Or to got after Boise State's coach, who I would LOVE at Memphis. Whover we go after needs to be a coach who wants to be challenged as Calw as. That was why cal chose us. he saw us as a challenge to make us a power. That's what we need in football if we ever want to be taken serious.

My concern is that if we wait until the end of the season to make changes, then we might rush things just to fill a spot and lose out on a high prolfile coach or assistant coach that might be available.

Why don't you hush?

Looks like the majority so far believe he should be fired. I would have thought it would have been more like a 70/30 or 80/20 split. I am suprised 40% still believe that he should not be fired.

FCBE TIGER Wrote:It is not the facilities that is causing our football team to loose. If that was the case, we wouldn't have gone to 3 straight bowl games. That arguement doesn't work. For $1 mil a year, we should have a head coach that can recruit and coach regardless of our facilities. The truth is that Tommy and his staff haven't recruited anyone because they can't recruit worth a damn.

bingo!!!!!

fire all assistants ,cant afford to fire tw but we can tell him to just be a face and sit back and shut up.our coach left 2 yr ago with randy f to the pros

Bump.......looks like a lot of Kool-aid drinkers are thinking Yes.

FCBE TIGER Wrote:Bump.......looks like a lot of Kool-aid drinkers are thinking Yes.

Sorry, the poll question isn't one I will answer. Results matter and the data is insufficient to date.

If we win out and wind up 9-3, the answer is a firm 'no.' If we lose out and wind up 1-11, then it's a definite 'yes.' Somewhere in between? Then it depends.

One thing I will say is this: in today's paper, that moron in Oxford blamed his players lack of talent for yesterday's loss. He said, paraphrasing, that he just didn't have enough SEC caliber players on defense. Wow, what an inspirational guy! How'd you like to play for that buffoon? Even if it's true, who recruited them? And how would you like reading that about yourself in the morning paper?

At least TW isn't blaming his players the way Dumb-O is.

im4memphis Wrote:

FCBE TIGER Wrote:It is not the facilities that is causing our football team to loose. If that was the case, we wouldn't have gone to 3 straight bowl games. That arguement doesn't work. For $1 mil a year, we should have a head coach that can recruit and coach regardless of our facilities. The truth is that Tommy and his staff haven't recruited anyone because they can't recruit worth a damn.

bingo!!!!!

idiots on parade. this is the reason i dont visit this forum as often as i used to. who recruited deangelo? who recruited duke? who recruited mo avery? who coached those teams? last year was miserable. this year has been miserable. there are 8 games left, give it a rest. come back after the season, make a solid argument, dont make up shite, and maybe we will listen to you. right now tw has his hands full trying to make his ball team better and win some games, he doesnt need this crapola to deal with also. imo people who start this kind of stuff during the early part of any season are not fans of the program, they are people with personal problems they choose to vent in inappropriate manners. do you still beat your wives?

You don't have to be in such a hurry to fire the guy. I am sure that Tommy, his family, and his players get really motivated when they read this stuff. Perhaps someday your employees will run such a poll on you. That would be really kewl, huh?

No one knows how this season will turn out yet; and, if things go as some on this site apparently believe they wil, then there will be plenty of time for firings, mud slinging and self ritghteous indignation and mob related lynchings.

Such we have come to.

tigerkeep Wrote:

im4memphis Wrote:

FCBE TIGER Wrote:It is not the facilities that is causing our football team to loose. If that was the case, we wouldn't have gone to 3 straight bowl games. That arguement doesn't work. For $1 mil a year, we should have a head coach that can recruit and coach regardless of our facilities. The truth is that Tommy and his staff haven't recruited anyone because they can't recruit worth a damn.

bingo!!!!!

idiots on parade. this is the reason i dont visit this forum as often as i used to. who recruited deangelo? who recruited duke? who recruited mo avery? who coached those teams? last year was miserable. this year has been miserable. there are 8 games left, give it a rest. come back after the season, make a solid argument, dont make up shite, and maybe we will listen to you. right now tw has his hands full trying to make his ball team better and win some games, he doesnt need this crapola to deal with also. imo people who start this kind of stuff during the early part of any season are not fans of the program, they are people with personal problems they choose to vent in inappropriate manners. do you still beat your wives?

it's a message board. i doubt tommy could give a rat's arse about what we think. where would you suggest we talk about this crap?

unfortunately I can't vote twice.