Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
Ummm, it is the 1st game of the year...Memphis is going to be ok...I'll predict 8-4 right now, only because our kicking game really worries me right now.
ummmm... three bowl games.
I know, it's a smart a$$ed answer but he's done more than most anyone in the last 25 years. Who else do you think we could get?
We need to play a full game. It seems that we had this problem last year. TW will pull these guys together, I am anxious to see how we play at UCF on September 22.
Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
you must be french.
Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
I understand your feeling down, but I think the Tigers will be okay. They appear better than last year (at least on the defensive side). I completely agree with you on special teams. TW has NEVER had a overall good ST. They have always had holes.
I'm not worried about the head coach but some of the play calling in the first half was hard to understand.
We're a throwing team yet we have two first downs on the 10 and we don't throw into the endzone at least once? The closest we came was the across the field pass that was intercepted.
Rebels fans have to be worried about their team.
GringoStarr Wrote:ummmm... three bowl games.
I know, it's a smart a$$ed answer but he's done more than most anyone in the last 25 years. Who else do you think we could get?
You have DeAngelo Williams to thank for these three bowl games, not TW coaching. I'm talking about paying with heart and passion and prepared to a level of detail that if we lose we can all see that the effort and plans were there but we didn't have it for some other reason...talent, etc. We should have won the last three games with Ole Miss and we cannot accept being close. As the season goes on you will see OM get smashed by SEC competitors...which only makes this loss tougher to take. OM has out recruited and out coached TW...the results speak for themselves.
georgiatiger Wrote:Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
you must be french.
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Tigerlabel Wrote:georgiatiger Wrote:Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
you must be french.
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quick to throw in the towel....
it's just a joke. tough day for all of us.
Give him the month of September before we falll off a cliff.
special teams play sux, no two ways about it. although I will give credit to our KO strategy--limited their ability to break a big return.
My biggest complaint with this game was the timeout late in the second quarter that killed our momentum and let Mississippi catch their breath and regroup. Instead of pushing on and scoring to cut the halftime deficit to 14-7, we immediately come out and throw the INT to go down 20-0.
I really like Tommy West and it was not only Deangelo who got us to the bowll games. Some body had to call the plays while he was here. Plus somebody had to teach Deangelo how to play college football. He had great natural talent but some one had to develop it for the college level. I was very surprised today how this week TW said we would be real open in the game and on the very first possion on 3 and 8 we run the ball instead of throwing for the first. I was in the stands and I totally saw the blitz coming. I would of been more happy with one of our screen plays. He did turn it around in the second half. I think the defense is really good. I think if we don't get conservative on offense like we did last year we can win some ball games and get back to a bowl game.
Tigerlabel Wrote:GringoStarr Wrote:ummmm... three bowl games.
I know, it's a smart a$$ed answer but he's done more than most anyone in the last 25 years. Who else do you think we could get?
You have DeAngelo Williams to thank for these three bowl games, not TW coaching. I'm talking about paying with heart and passion and prepared to a level of detail that if we lose we can all see that the effort and plans were there but we didn't have it for some other reason...talent, etc. We should have won the last three games with Ole Miss and we cannot accept being close. As the season goes on you will see OM get smashed by SEC competitors...which only makes this loss tougher to take. OM has out recruited and out coached TW...the results speak for themselves.
Geez, how do you think the other hundred or so people associated with those teams feel? Who do you think took a team down TWO quarterbacks and found a way to get bowl eligible and then win the bowl? As for the recruiting issue I'm shocked that is isn't worse than it is because it's far from a level playing field, BCS money and all. I admitted to a smart a$$ed post the first time, now I just think you're kinda nuts.
Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
I just hate these kinds of negative posts one game into the season. The rebels won because we "gifted" them 14 points. We outplayed them in the second half and our team showed a lot of character. Coming back like the Tigers did when every single thing and call was going against them showed me a group of young men with a lot of heart. The "we suck" crowd and monday morning quarterbacks that know more than West about coaching should get a team of their own and try it.
georgiatiger Wrote:Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
you must be french.
Ouch.
I do not care about winning the second half. Very good chance they let up thinking they had the game locked up. My concern is the constant play calling throwing the ball equal to or behind the line and not getting down field. Too many times we had two players blocking one player on the screens and they still fight through and drop us for a loss. Or the play when the left tackle got beat on the outside by the rusher and he just reached for him instead of changing his line. The tackle fell down and just laid there and was just getting up at the end of the play when the rusher had taken Hankins head off.
I have some feeling the OL is going to endure some interesting practices...
Tiger Label--maybe you should not post the day of a loss. I know all about letting emotion get the better of you--cause I am famous for it!!
I was distraught over the play calling in the first half--until I realized Hankins spent the half running for dear life. We also were not able to establish a running game whatsoever. Our o-line was part of the problem. Hard to throw the spear down range with cannibals chasing after you from jump.
We are going to be okay--I hate losing to Miss, but its not the end of the season by any means.
Our second half of football was amazing. I also loved what I saw with the defense. The hits were coming.
Sometimes, when you lose--you win. We will turn this around--
what we lacked today is what we lacked all last season - consistency and the ability to finish...we looked pretty good in some quarters of games last year as well...this team has to learn to come out and play four quarters like their season rides on every game...
TW's gripe about last year's team, aside from injuries, is that the team always seemed to find a way to beat itself and to lose games...not to take away from OM's effort and the plays they made, but it somewhat seemed that way again today.
LMAO at those immediately questioning West's ability to "coach". A man who can't "coach" would not have helped bring the team back from 23-0. Pull your heads out, folks.
Special teams cost MEMPHIS this game today. 10 point swing on the blocked punt and missed chip shot FG that my sister would have made. Take out those plays and MEMPHIS wins DESPITE the SIX TURNOVERS 21-13.
Ball game.
I give credit to Mississippi for planning to rush the new punter and new snapper (Hudgens) on their first punt attempt.
I knew the West bashers would be out after this game. As tigeer said, can we hold off on this year's lynching until maybe early October?
Not so fast--special teams got out the knife--but turnovers stabbed us with it--
There is plenty to go around.
Not scoring on the opening possesion after Grandberrys return stunk also.
what the !@#$ was that 3rd and medium garbage to Doss anyway?
egrizzard Wrote:Not so fast--special teams got out the knife--but turnovers stabbed us with it--
There is plenty to go around.
Not scoring on the opening possesion after Grandberrys return stunk also.
what the !@#$ was that 3rd and medium garbage to Doss anyway?
I think he was expecting a blitz and hoping to break it outside.
I agree with tigerlabel you put deangelo on many teams you are going to make a bowl game especially with fifty or so bowls. Let me ask why you would run the clock down with five minutes to go down by 8? it sure as hell didnt pan out that we were banking on the 2 point conversion. One more question why not go for 2 on the first touchdown when we got half the distance after the roughing the kicker? We knew we were going to need to two 2 point conversions. And I dont want to hear missing it would stop momentum. I have never seen a coach put his eggs in one basket like that at the end of the game. He played as though we were down by 2 at their one yard line
Red Zone ineptness cost us this game today. Someone with some sense please explain to me how come we never NEVER throw a fade route when we are in the red zone. We have the tallest receiving corps in the nation, but they are never used to their advantage. No way in hell could those Ole Miss dbs cover Singleton or Calhoun on a fade route but yet TW and Helton throw it underneath every time.
Not to be a spoilsport but TW has done what no one else has done...DeAngelo or not. You forget that Mo Avery, Danny Wimprine and a host of others played a huge role. We will be fine after the turnovers are ironed out.
It always amazes me to see what others notice in a game. I suppose I am a "glass is half full" type of guy, but I am optimistic because here is what I saw:
1. Six (6) turnovers - there was enough blame to go around for these - 4 interceptions (two when the O line let the D get to Hankins while he was throwing), 1 fumble in the red zone, 1 blocked punt for a TD. You are not going to win many games with 6 turnovers. Almost never. I do not think we will make a habit of having 6 turnovers.
2. Defense - Our D is very much improved over last year. Only gave up 7 points all day. Let them score on their first drive, then adjusted and shut them out the rest of the way. I do think the DB's need to improve, but our run D is very good right now.
3. Offense - We have the ability to score lots of points. I did not like all the plays we called, but in the 2nd half, we moved the ball much better and more consistently. The receiving corps is special. I expect us to score tons of points the rest of the season.
4. Special teams - The punt block was stupid football. You can't let that happen. On the other side, Grandberry did a great job on KO returns. I thought his return to open the game was going to go for a TD, as I had posted 3 days ago. The place kicker has to improve, or be replaced. Our kickoff schemes are great. I saw some big returns by other teams on TV, and we did OK in that department.
Bottom line- I hate to lose as much as anybody, but what I saw Saturday leads me to believe that we can win 7 or 8 of the remaining games on our schedule. I'll take that and be very happy.
covingtontiger Wrote:It always amazes me to see what others notice in a game. I suppose I am a "glass is half full" type of guy, but I am optimistic because here is what I saw:
1. Six (6) turnovers - there was enough blame to go around for these - 4 interceptions (two when the O line let the D get to Hankins while he was throwing), 1 fumble in the red zone, 1 blocked punt for a TD. You are not going to win many games with 6 turnovers. Almost never. I do not think we will make a habit of having 6 turnovers.
2. Defense - Our D is very much improved over last year. Only gave up 7 points all day. Let them score on their first drive, then adjusted and shut them out the rest of the way. I do think the DB's need to improve, but our run D is very good right now.
3. Offense - We have the ability to score lots of points. I did not like all the plays we called, but in the 2nd half, we moved the ball much better and more consistently. The receiving corps is special. I expect us to score tons of points the rest of the season.
4. Special teams - The punt block was stupid football. You can't let that happen. On the other side, Grandberry did a great job on KO returns. I thought his return to open the game was going to go for a TD, as I had posted 3 days ago. The place kicker has to improve, or be replaced. Our kickoff schemes are great. I saw some big returns by other teams on TV, and we did OK in that department.
Bottom line- I hate to lose as much as anybody, but what I saw Saturday leads me to believe that we can win 7 or 8 of the remaining games on our schedule. I'll take that and be very happy.
Excellent post...6 turnovers rarely gives anyone a fighting chance to tie a game with 30 seconds remaining!
For all you haters out there, I promise you we're gonna win our share of games again this year and go bowling in December...this Tiger team showed AMAZING character in coming back from a 23-0 deficit to almost tie the contest.
Go Tigers!
Considering how many new coaches and roles on this year staff, they ironed out the wrinkles pretty quick. I hate the loss, but I was proud the way they came back. Arkansas State worries me because they stayed close to Texas and do not fear us. The Arkansas State game will reveal what type of team we will have this year.
Almost counts only in horseshoes and that is it. It seems to me the same problems are there on the offensive side of the ball as it was last year. The defense has improve dramatically. The season is not over but I am not getting my hopes up either(been there, done that) . I think if the offense plays like this, it is going to be a long season. The tigers cannot give that many turnovers in one game again. If we continue on this trend, it is going to be sad.
gdayre Wrote:Almost counts only in horseshoes and that is it. It seems to me the same problems are there on the offensive side of the ball as it was last year. The defense has improve dramatically. The season is not over but I am not getting my hopes up either(been there, done that) . I think if the offense plays like this, it is going to be a long season. The tigers cannot give that many turnovers in one game again. If we continue on this trend, it is going to be sad.
We made excellent adjustments in the 2nd half to get back into the game...that means our new coaching staff is making a difference.
HoopDreams Wrote:what we lacked today is what we lacked all last season - consistency and the ability to finish...we looked pretty good in some quarters of games last year as well...this team has to learn to come out and play four quarters like their season rides on every game...
TW's gripe about last year's team, aside from injuries, is that the team always seemed to find a way to beat itself and to lose games...not to take away from OM's effort and the plays they made, but it somewhat seemed that way again today.
I was encouraged by the way they played the 2nd half, and I think it bodes well for the season ahead, but . . .
Isn't that inability to maintain intensity and to finish problem a coaching issue? Not a team issue.
Did you see the same defense I did? They were smashing people. That is the Tiger defense we remember!!
TOs and EXECUTION COST US.
I don't even think we made startling adjustments at the half--we just executed the plays.
TW is fine--wake up folks.
Tommy W. is no Nick S.
Tommy W. is no Bear B.
but....
Tommy is also no Rip, Stobart or Dempsey.
I like our coach. Lets keep him.
egrizzard Wrote:Did you see the same defense I did? They were smashing people. That is the Tiger defense we remember!!
TOs and EXECUTION COST US.
I don't even think we made startling adjustments at the half--we just executed the plays.
TW is fine--wake up folks.
We were smashing people but a few of our guys who's names I will refrain from mentioning looked as slow as xmas when blitzing.
If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
Ouch!!
I will say it was pointed out numerous times yesterday that TW hasn't done squat without DW.
Yikes that's a little harsh.
We really haven't proven anything to anyone in football for 40 years. We have tried all types of coaches newbies/ retreads (I hated when Fred Pancost left to go to Vanderbilt) and have never been succesful on a regular basis. Why would anyone want to coach here.
TW is an OK coach and we are an OK program we are what we are. Let's give him at least two years post DW, then we can go find another newbie/retread, but don't expect Nick Saban to coming walking in that door.
tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Gtown, I am sure you saw the same game I saw. We were dead as a doornail at halftime. If OM was coached by Dempsey or Scherer we would have been down by even more. That punt wasn't just blocked, it could have been blocked by a group of OM players who ran through a hole the size of Arkansas. We would have had to score 50 points in the second half to wipe away the thoughts of how incredibly bad our teams and coaching staff performed in the first half.
GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Or a load of heapin' idiot.
tigertommy Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Gtown, I am sure you saw the same game I saw. We were dead as a doornail at halftime. If OM was coached by Dempsey or Scherer we would have been down by even more. That punt wasn't just blocked, it could have been blocked by a group of OM players who ran through a hole the size of Arkansas. We would have had to score 50 points in the second half to wipe away the thoughts of how incredibly bad our teams and coaching staff performed in the first half.
I'm not sure that the "at least he isn't as bad as Dempsey or Scherer" argument is where we'd like to be right now.
It was a bad loss, at home, against a team both in disarray and with marginal talent, and it follows up an awful year, and a couple of very mediocre recruiting classes.
I'll give TW the benefit of the doubt, but any dispassionate assessment would be that his success has corresponded entirely with the DeAngelo era.
Chi-Town Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Or a load of heapin' idiot.
I agree the guy is a bit harsh.
The question I have is exactly what did anyone see yesterday that made them feel good about TW's ability? I saw plenty of crap to justify questioning his ability. What besides OM quitting and letting us catch up made you feel good about TW?
tigertommy Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Gtown, I am sure you saw the same game I saw. We were dead as a doornail at halftime. If OM was coached by Dempsey or Scherer we would have been down by even more. That punt wasn't just blocked, it could have been blocked by a group of OM players who ran through a hole the size of Arkansas. We would have had to score 50 points in the second half to wipe away the thoughts of how incredibly bad our teams and coaching staff performed in the first half.
I, too, was disappointed in the 1st half performance (the blocked punt was idiotic), but credit must be given when it's due...this team and coaching staff proved to me that they can make adjustments, hitch up their pants and get it done in spite of playing like crapola for the first 40 minutes.
With the exception of the Rebs touchdown drive in the beginning of the first quarter, our D played well the entire game. Once our O line woke up in the 2nd half, our passing and running game came to life against a bigger Ole Miss squad.
Am I satisfied that we lost yesterday?...hell no! But do I think Tommy West and his retooled coaching staff leave something to be desired?...hell no, again! The one thing we can legitimately point to coaching is our inability to recruit a solid kicker this year...hopefully our slumping kicker can overcome his inner demons and get his act together.
I don't want to be rude, but I am going to try to point out a few things.
Arguement 1) TW HAS DONE NOTHING WITHOUT DW.
I am sure that Mo Avery, Stephen Gostowksi, Danny Wimprine ( the all time leading QB at Memphis)--a slew of talented defensive players---I am sure they appreciate that their years they were carried by one guy. DW is the man--no doubt--but, his 5-9 frame can't carry the whole team. Joe Doss clowned UT in Knoxville with DW on the bench, BTW. Furthermore, who blocked for DW? Or was he so good we didn't have blockers. You guys show your lack of football knowledge if you think it was a 1 pony stampede. We had a cast of exceptional players who displayed tremendous courage and leadership. You take away from their accomplishments when you suggest DW was the only reason we won.
ARGUEMENT 2.--Memphis is a bad program--
Well, last year was awful. Dreadful--I was there too, I know. This comment tells me some of you are johhny-come-lately's. I am not downing that--I think the fan base quite obviously has room to gro--and the wins and bowls generated some excitement. We need to keep that positive momentum going. But, if you think this is bad--oh boy. I remember games where I swear there were 3500 people at the LB. I know I am exagerrating, but fans that were at the hey-hey take that ball to the hoop era football know exactly what I am referring to. Our best offensive play used to be the spike--and you could ALWAYS count on a third and long draw, even when we clearly didn't have the backs to do it. We can move the ball now, and have QBS all across the depth chart that would have started on almost all of those woeful teams. If you think this is bad football--you haven't been watching. While never happy with a loss, we have improved light years from the days where we tore down the goal post because we won a game to end the nations longest losing streak. ( I was there too)
3. WE CAN NOT BEAT OLE MISS OR ORGERON SO WE ARE AWFUL.
Last time I looked, Miss was in a BCS conf and collected a big fat check every year. Like them or not, MISS has tradition and a national championship banner. Now, they are long removed from that, and have fallen on less fruitful times if you will, but this is not little sisters of the poor. They, quite frankly, are supposed to beat us. O may or may not be a buffon, but he also knows championship football. We do not have the budget ( or fan support) that OM enjoys. YET.
This is why I hate playing Miss( or UT or BCS whoever). The first thinh we need to do is oncentarte on winning our conf--the OM game hurts, but means very little at this point. When we start challenging the BCS buster scenario--then we can bemoan losing to OM.
If you just want to complain and cry--I don't know what to say. But to throw in the towel allready is a loser attitude we need to break. Some of us also need to learn to be fans and think like a winner. Its contagious. People in my section were ready to leave at half-time saying
SAME OLD TIGERS--I told them we would come back. No one believd me.
SAME OLD FANS.
This guy's post is a joke. Did we watch the same football game?
Tigerlabel Wrote:Sorry folks but I'm really down on TW. He has one of the easiest schedules in division 1A ball this season and this is a weak Ole Miss team who he has not beaten in three years. Everyone else beats Ole Miss but TW has not not figured how to put a W on the board against them. More specifically, he has been outcoached every OM game and today was no exception. Even watching ECU vs. VT you could see a well prepared and well coached team today in ECU. We lost to a weak team today and there is no glory in making it close. Winning is the only result we need to accept and he hasn't figured it out with DeAngelo Williams...and he carried us for three years.
Our special teams are awful and they were the direct result of this loss. I think the funky line up on the punt was the worst alignment I've ever seen in college football. I didn't see it any further when they went into punt formation.
I'm sorry to be so down on the Tiger's and I'm not giving up the ship but to me, TW hasn't proved he's worth the money the university is committed to pay him...almost $1mm a year (ranks in the top 40 of college football and our team is not close to that stat)
And if we had pulled this one out, you would be saying he's a great coach and we need to give him an extension. We'll be fine. If we play the rest of the season like we play the last 20 min, we'll be 11-1 and in the Liberty Bowl. But, it's whatever. Go Tigers!!!
what we saw yesterday was proof of the fact that there are just so many BIG good football linemen to go around. the really really top notch ones go to the premier BCS schools. then the talent starts trickling downwards. the game yesterday was decided because mississippi's linemen out played ours. thats football.
TW DID tyhrow picks and miss a crucial block on the punt blocked--
geesh--
tigertommy Wrote:Chi-Town Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:tiger1953 Wrote:If you guys to say TW is fine means that you are OK with being one of the worst programs in division 1A. It sounds like you do not need an OCS if you accept poor coaching. GUYS wake up. Memphis has a bad coach do not accept this. Yes, UM should go to a bowl this year but look at who is on the schedule.
If poor coaching is ok with you that is what you are going to get poor coaching. The program needs to start looking at who we can get on down the road. This guy cannot take us to the next level. And I think that is where we would like to be at the next level.
We had a ridiculous number of turnovers and boneheaded plays in the first half of our opening game against a team favored to win, and we still almost pulled it out in the end...Wow!...talk about a glass-half-empty!
I bet you're a load of heapin' fun at a party!
Or a load of heapin' idiot.
I agree the guy is a bit harsh.
The question I have is exactly what did anyone see yesterday that made them feel good about TW's ability? I saw plenty of crap to justify questioning his ability. What besides OM quitting and letting us catch up made you feel good about TW?
I think the "OM quitting and letting us catch up made you feel good about TW?" question can be answered in two ways:
1. While we're a little undersized, our physical conditioning was better, and
2. the offensive line continued to battle after halftime along with the coaching staff making some pass-blocking scheme adjustments.
With the exception of the goofy formation on that blocked punt, the other 5 turnovers were execution erors on the part of the players; assigning blame to the coaching staff for every turnover is pointing fingers in the wrong direction.