NCAAbbs

This is not smack but it is a complaint so I shall put it here. It's not a very important complaint and I am only making it because I am bored. This gripe, if you want to call it that, is not exclusive to the A-sun but has coursed its way throughout the NCAA. I speak of warm ups. Now that you've had time to recover from your chuckle, why is it that teams don't wear pants anymore? Just a warm up shirt over their jersey. Yes I do realize this seems like a ridiculous complaint, but it seems like the teams are somewhat less official without the complete warm up suit compared to the teams of countless years before. The warm ups only consisting of a shirt feels amateurish to me. Picky? Yes. But I do miss the pageantry and glory that used to proceed the games themselves.

You make a good point. The single over shirt doesn't bother me, but a full outfit would be pretty nice.

Great topic to think about ...... if you are a female. Seriously, did you just create a post topic asking about whether teams should wear long pants while they are warming up? Really?

Would you like to comment on any other fashion items while you are at it? Perhaps player's hair styles or grooming habits?

LOL

I think gold shows his age more than he knows.

I think a lot of the ETSU fans on this forum are older... makes things interesting. Nick do you not remember how old the fan base was when they all came down last season? It looked like we were visiting the nursing home.

Especially that busload of fraternity brothers... Most of the fans on here aren't that old at all, but ultimately, we have fans.
ALso, I think some schools do still use the full warmup. I'm almost positive that Indiana does, to the point of going with the old school button down, collared top with candy cane, tapered warm up pants.
It's probably a preference of the coach and players as to what they have.

Warm ups or tshirts, it really doesn't matter. Whatever the athletes want to wear I would assume.

"Busload"- maybe a van.

The only school that still has the warm-up pants that I can think of is Indiana (as Buclover already mentioned). IU needs to keep those striped pants for the sake of tradition.

What irks me about warm-ups is not the attire, but some of the antics of visiting teams (which might very well include Campbell when they're on the road...I don't know). How do you all feel about dunking in warm-ups? Especially the visiting team? That wasn't done a few yrs ago. I also hate that crap with the team circle and the swaying and chanting. I'm sure there's a name for that but I don't know it.

Also, I find myself watching how teams act during the natl anthem (I know, I should be looking at the flag, instead). Players should already be warmed-up and shouldn't have to sway and shift weight for that minute or so. The worst display I've ever witnessed was Central Connecticut State when they visited Campbell back in the mid 80s....talking and horseplay during the anthem. (Yeah, I'm aging myself.)

OK, I feel better now.

Dunking during warm ups does seem excessive. Bricking a dunk during warm ups is priceless... i seen it!

The swaying huddle doesn't bother me... just part of getting pumped up.

Touching the rim in warm ups is still a technical isn't it?

I thought so too. I always like to watch the opposing team's pre-game layups and other drills to get a feel for their athleticism. Granted this isn't a very good measue of athleticism, it is sometimes evident the guys that can jump through the roof.

I don't mind teams swaying or any other version of pre-game routine, in fact, I like the different versions that teams come up with. In terms of pre-game drills, I am kinda partial to teams that show some discipline by doing various structured passing, dribbling, or defensive drills as opposed to sort of willy-nilly hanging out.

I too definitely draw the line during the National Anthem. I've been overall pleased with the teams in the ASUN, though I have seen teams in the past that were completely disrespectful and seemingly unchecked by the coach.

Maybe, not familiar with that rule, however if he's just wearing a tshirt then it's got to be ok.

Kennesaw kids,

Actually I'm in my twenties, I just possess an air of class and an appreciation for showmanship that distressingly escapes this current climate of culture without substance. I enjoy all things glorious and dislike all things inglorious. I also like and dislike things that pose as inglorious but that are glorious and vice-versa.

Kennesaw,
I knew you would not be able to resist this chance to trumpet your infantile wit and demonstrate to us all that you are incapable of appreciating the glories, the intricacies, and the pageantry of battle. You seem to be right in line with those who denied Patton his designs for tank crewman's battle wear. Perhaps you would of been against the decision to design Washington D.C. in a way that would intimidate foreign dignitaries. I wonder, would you have also been against ancient warriors wearing war paint into battle?


OrangeCamel,

I agree with you dunking should be off limits during warm-ups. It should be a time that is reserved for focus and discipline. I don't see a problem with the swaying and chanting. I preferred the national anthem to be between the first warm up period and the second, like it used to be. I've never witnessed the swaying and shifting around during a national anthem but if I were to see such a thing I would no doubt have a strong dislike for it.

Using a vocabulary that makes you seem 70-year-old talking to other elders as a 20-something, makes you a pompous prick.

Translation: I refuse to lower myself to the standards of the seemingly endless supply of mental midgets that surround me.

If you feel that strongly about it, then go away.

There are plenty of good people here, and I'd get along just fine with you Kennesaw fans if you'd just deal in reality, and stop presenting yourselves as the second coming of Christ.

If Christ had to choose, he'd choose Kennesaw.



















lol

And thus....We shall remain as we are.

Me and you, we're not so much different. We both have ample time to post on a dead discussion board during the middle of the off-season.

Maybe I should get out of my cube and go make some sales calls.

In that regard...We can at last agree.



btw, are you really against teams exuding full glory with proper warm-up attire or were you just taking this opportunity to try and argue with me?

I'm down for whatever the players want. If they want to show up like with long shorts, wristbands on their ankles and sleeves to immitate AI, I'm all for it. As long as they can back it up. At the same time, if you look like a jackass and play like a jackass, be prepared to be called a jackass.

I think the NBA rule of always suit/tie is stupid and anything before the actual start of play should not be controlled by any league/sanctioning sports body. I would be for team rules.

Tshirts for warm ups aren't bad. I used to play HS sports. Warm ups were just in case it was too cold outside which normally isn't a problem in an arena.

It's more than that....I remember Marshall used to come out in their Green and White. If done correctly it's intimidating. We as a society, seem to be forgetting the subtle art of psychological warfare. Which I believe is the whole point of team colors, uniforms, nicknames, and pep bands.

Subtle grew out a long time ago. Have you seen any commercials lately? Loud, Hard, Heavy sounding sells. Sunday, Sunday Sunday!!!!

I've never seen a tv commercial say "Sunday, Sunday Sunday!!!!"

But I don't watch tv. I do however watch movies, and I will say that movie trailers of today are becoming boring and formulaic as hell. So in the tradition of "Loud, Hard, Heaving sounding sells" I long for the day where they actually did that in movie trailers....SEE CLARK GABLE IN! IT'S SPELLBOUNDING!! Those were the days where movie advertising demanded your ass in a seat.

We are however way off topic

Trailers? How about the actual movies?

Can you be off topic in an archived chat room?

Actual movies? THIS IS THE DARK AGES OF CINEMA!

Hahaha dude I would sooo wear that T-shirt..

Front
"If Christ had to choose.. he'd choose Kennesaw"


Back
"lol"

haha, we could wear it for Super Bowl Sunday this year.

I for one support this idea

I bet I could make some money selling AShame Tshirts around this board.

Or maybe he's not a mouth breathing, booger eater kennesaw fan with a limited IQ and vocabulary.

What a statement. Mouth breathing???? As opposed to nose breathing? You also used the phrase "booger eater" and then combined it with a cheap shot at someone else's vocabulary and their limited IQ. Next time you take a shot at someone's level of intelligence I would refrain from the use of the phrase "booger eater"

You ETSU fans crack me up.

i was going to go with the non-response to that one KB, but you're right.

KB,

If only UNF were represented here, then you could have someone to pick on.

I don't really care to pick on anyone. That is probably the difference. I have the ability to see another schools weaknesses and strengths. You tend to close your eyes to anything that doesn't glorify your own hopes and dreams for your team and dismiss anyone that doesn't kowtow to the almighty ETSU Buc. So to respond to your post: If UNF were on here I still wouldn't have anyone to pick on because that really isnt my style. I take more enjoyment pointing out you and your fellow ETSU Buc fan's stupidities and inaccuracies then picking on someone else.

Every ETSU fan knows where our athletic weaknesses are. Piss poor president, athletic director, senior women's administrator. We also understand that we play in a building built for football and track, and are in need of new facilities. As a whole we understand that we are in a REBUILDING PHASE AND ARE STILL KICKING YOUR A$$ in everything except women's soccer, which quite frankly the only thing those girls really contribute at our school is some extra eye candy and more money in the pockets of the local spirit distributors.
From a basketball standpoint we know that our team is not where it once was, yet we're still winning within the conference, and with the exception of laying an egg at Vanderbilt, have played respectable against teams that have made the NCAA tournament. We just find it hilarious that you guys are talking about being the best team in the conference, and winning the regular season every year and you've not been division I for any real length of time.
You guys continue to try and attempt to shoot holes in our program, and the most telling stat about the A-Sun is this...
In our last year in the Southern Conference we finished with only nine wins... With basically the SAME TEAM we came to the A-Sun and finished in the top four, with a winning record.

KennesawBasketball,

You're so eager to trumpet your vocabulary, after mine was compared to a 70 year old man, that you jumped all over someone else in an attempt to appear intelligent.





I'm not calling you unintelligent, but that's what you did.

Gold:

The difference is that I am not ATTEMPTING to appear intelligent. I am a pretty bright guy. I am not a genius by any means, but I don't need a thesaurus to make a coherent post. I wasn't making fun of the guy for simply trying to appear intelligent. What I thought was funny was the fact that he ridiculed another person's intelligence by using the term "booger eater".

Please reference a SINGLE post where I claimed that Kennesaw was the best team in the conference. Please reference a post where I even remotely stated something similar to this idea. I have in fact stated just the opposite many times - that we are a growing program but we have a long ways to go before we come close to becoming a dominant team. I have even gone so far as saying that right now ETSU is the best program in the ASun. What seems to cause violent responses from most of you ETSU posters is that I merely suggest that Kennesaw has the tools to become a very good mid major program. I mention our location and some of you ignorantly try to claim we are in the backwoods of Northern Georgia. I mention our moderate success thus far in Division I with makeshift teams and you throw stones, I mention our growth in recruiting and you claim that our recruiting hasn't shown in the win column.

BucLover's post is a perfect example of several of the ETSU posters inability to comprehend anything that doesn't scream: "I love Johnson City and the ETSU Bucs!"

Please reference this post if you start to get anymore ridiculous thoughts that Kennesaw thinks that it is dominating the league. I think in the future we will have a chance to be a dominant team in the conference, but only time and a lot of hard work by our team and coaching staff will tell.

"In our last year in the Southern Conference we finished with only nine wins... With basically the SAME TEAM we came to the A-Sun and finished in the top four, with a winning record."

How did you do in your non conference schedule in both of those seasons... we could use that as a comparison as to whether your team may have gotten better or the competition just got that much worse.

I looked at the 2004-2005 non-conference schedule/results and compared them to the 2005-2006 non-conference schedule/results. The fact is ETSU seemingly was a better team when they entered the A-Sun as opposed to their last southern conference team. The argument that your team has succeeded in the A-Sun due to the fact that the conference is less talented then the Southern Conference is not entirely true. By viewing the information listed below you may find that your team actually improved throughout the transition.

2004-2005 ETSU Non-Conference Schedule Results

Marshall L
Fresno State L
Alabama L
Central Michigan L
Old Dominion L
Memphis L
Citadel L

Virginia-Wise W Non-NCAA Division I
King College TN W Non-NCAA Division I
Union Kentucky College W Non-NCAA Division I
Austin Peay W
Tennessee Tech W

Overall D-I Non-Conference Record: 2-7 (Note the removal on Non-D-1 Teams)
Overall Record: 10-19 (Inclusion of Non-D-1 teams)

ETSU was outscored by D-I non-conference opponents 760- 650.

2005-2006 ETSU Non-Conference Schedule Results

Tennessee L
Radford L
Clemson L
Austin Peay L

Central Michigan W Improved upon since 2004-2005
Morehead State W
Marshall W Improved upon since 2004-2005

Overall D-I Non-Conference Record: 3-4
Overall Record: 15-13

ETSU was outscored by D-1 non-conference opponents 555-553. This is a remarkable improvement.

Note: Improved Winning Percentage/Ratio as well as the points for/ points against ration.

It makes me want to throw up... ETSU is actually improving every year! It isnt just the conference!

I don't have the time to respond to all of this at the moment, but there is one inaccuracy that strikes out at me upon first glance. In 2004-05 the Citadel was indeed a conference game. I know the year we beat Marshall, it was at home and they were down in talent from the year before.

This is one time where I'm going to break from Buccaneer Lover's assessment of our first year in the A-sun. I've always maintained that we had an abundance of talent during our first year in the A-sun. The problem was that our players hated each other, lacked chemistry, and therefor under achieved.

We did not have the plethora of talent that last season in the Southern Conference.If you go back to that last season in the SoCon you will find that we were basically playing the year with about seven or eight players due to injuries and one player quit because he had family problems (or something).

Last season, where we won the A-sun regular season, was a pretty average year in talent for us.

Oh and KB, I never use a thesaurus.

I realize that quote was to BuccaneerLover, but allow me to address it.

For the record I know that you, Kennesaw Basketball, have never made this claim. That's never been my gripe with you, personally. It was your "dramatic improvement" claim that I took issue with.

Sorry about that! make it 2-6 and recalculate the pf/pa L 80-76.... no biggie! Pretty similar results.

"I know the year we beat Marshall, it was at home and they were down in talent from the year before. "

Actually, I do not think you know... view the facts below:

2005-2006 Marshall Overall Record: 12-16 (5-9)

ETSU Beat this team 91-63

2004-2005 Marshall Overall Record: 6-22

ETSU Lost to this team 80- 76

It appears that Marshall had a less talented team in 2004-2005 rather then 2005-2006 as their record clearly demonstrates this. It also demonstrates that ETSU improved as they lost to a team that won a total of 6 games while coming back the next season to crush a team with 12 wins.