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Where's the group on this? I was in a fellow teacher's classroom and he said in 1979 the FBI concluded it was a conspiracy. What do you guys think?

It was LBJ and The Freemasons.

And space aliens. And puppies. And chocolate.

I blame Bush.

It was a combination of the Heaven's Gaters and the Brach Davidians, and that is why the KGB eliminated both groups.

I thought you guys had heard, Tonya Harding shot JFK.

DrTorch Wrote:I blame Bush.

lmfao

We all know it was Rove and Cheney, Bush is just their figurehead :)

Castro or the mob(for being incompetent with bay of pigs/Cuba)....

supposedly Oswald was seen before shooting in Mexico at Cuban embassy. It was supposedly payback for failed attempts to kill Castro after Bay of Pigs fiasco by JFK. They had all types of plots with James Bond type gadgets, supposedly, its pretty interesting............I read a book called "Fidel" by Humberto Fontova, all of that stuff above was sourced, but who knows.

I like the mob theory better though because it ties in well with Godfather Part 2


maybe Halliburton did it?

1 shooter or more.

AT&T

Machiavelli Wrote:1 shooter or more.

That's specific.

or was that a question?

Machiavelli Wrote:1 shooter or more.

I think it was a simple case of some woman that JFK gave the clap to taking him out.
Hell hath no fury....

Should of had a question mark. By definition two or more shooters is a conspiracy. At first I was kind of ticked off where this thread was going but I googled "Does the FBI believe the Kennedy assasination was a conspiracy" and one did come up that Bush was linked.

Machiavelli Wrote:Should of had a question mark. By definition two or more shooters is a conspiracy. At first I was kind of ticked off where this thread was going but I googled "Does the FBI believe the Kennedy assasination was a conspiracy" and one did come up that Bush was linked.

Bushy Knoll??

Skull and Bones.

With some help from the Illuminati.



Seriously, I think Oswald acted alone. A family friend of ours from old political circles worked in the Congressional Commission set up to investigate this stuff in the early 1990's. The guy went into it expecting to find something, but I remember him relaying that there just wasn't much there. Apparently the real problem was the Warren Commission white washed it because if they ever knew the real truth it would show the incompetence of the federal government in protecting the President and in letting Oswald back in the country, etc -- not any nefariousness.

I loved the movie JFK. Great film. But Stone takes a lot of liberties with it, and even true conspiracy theorists don't take it seriously.

after the Soviet Union fell, the Soviet Archives were opened up. They have quite a different story on things related to Cuba than what we came to beleive from that time. Some of it is starting to make it into some academia circles.

one example: http://hnn.us/articles/1090.html

That Bush link on Google does have an interesting but long conspiracy video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...9102108031

ShoreBuc Wrote:That Bush link on Google does have an interesting but long conspiracy video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...9102108031

Wow that video makes the movie JFK look logical. According to them Prescot Bush and Nixon both had Nazi ties. George Bush worked for the CIA in 1963 even though he denies it and of course they all had Skull N Bones ties.
Crazy stuff but yes now it is confirmed the Bush's killed Kennedy

in about 10 years the files will be declassified.

Tulsaman Wrote:in about 10 years the files will be declassified.

I saw the History Channel program that shows how the "magic bullet " theory would have worked, but I still have doubts how he could have pulled it off with that POS rifle, even if he were a Marine marksman. There is no evidence that he ever practiced on a moving target in the period before November 1963. He was always shooting at fixed targets at a range. To come out "cold turkey" and get 2 neck/head hits defies logic.

WMD Owl Wrote:

Tulsaman Wrote:in about 10 years the files will be declassified.

I saw the History Channel program that shows how the "magic bullet " theory would have worked, but I still have doubts how he could have pulled it off with that POS rifle, even if he were a Marine marksman. There is no evidence that he ever practiced on a moving target in the period before November 1963. He was always shooting at fixed targets at a range. To come out "cold turkey" and get 2 neck/head hits defies logic.

Yeah, we train with fixed, or pop-up targets, but guess what, we're using open sights. Was he not using a scope? I could nail anyone in the neck and head if I had a scope. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock was a master of this. Besides, it's not like Kennedy was cruising in #20 at Daytona.

Kev i think any one in the south could. ;-)

with a scope.

Tulsaman Wrote:Kev i think any one in the south could. ;-)

with a scope.

Bolt action with a scope? Different body mechanics when you have to clear a chamber by yourself... and 3 shots in 6 seconds...

WMD Owl Wrote:

Tulsaman Wrote:Kev i think any one in the south could. ;-)

with a scope.

Bolt action with a scope? Different body mechanics when you have to clear a chamber by yourself... and 3 shots in 6 seconds...

You don't hunt deer, do you? They don't normally stand still after the first shot.

I've killed many a deer with a Winchester Model 70. ....and they run a helluva lot faster than that car was moving.

GGniner Wrote:after the Soviet Union fell, the Soviet Archives were opened up. They have quite a different story on things related to Cuba than what we came to beleive from that time. Some of it is starting to make it into some academia circles.

one example: http://hnn.us/articles/1090.html

Wow! Pretty interesting.

Quote:The Kremlin was very pleased when JFK edged out Richard Nixon in 1960. Before the election, the KGB resident in Washington had been ordered to "propose diplomatic or propaganda initiatives, or any other measures, to facilitate Kennedy's victory." The Kremlin regarded Kennedy as a "typical pragmatist," who would change his position and accommodate adversaries if it served his interests. Khrushchev went so far as to delay the release of American U-2 pilot Gary Francis Powers, who was being held in prison after being shot down on a spy mission over the Soviet Union, until after the election. By doing so, said Khrushchev, he was "voting" for Kennedy.

You gotta think the Kremlin was pissed when Iran did the same thing with the hostages that pretty much secured Reagan's victory in 1980.

Of course Reagan manipulated the Iran/Iraq war, so it bit the Ayatollha right back.

But, for the record, I think LBJ was involved. That guy was pretty damn slimey.

That was a good read, Torch. Thanks for posting that article.

mlb Wrote:That was a good read, Torch. Thanks for posting that article.

It was GGNiner's.

GGniner Wrote:after the Soviet Union fell, the Soviet Archives were opened up. They have quite a different story on things related to Cuba than what we came to beleive from that time. Some of it is starting to make it into some academia circles.

one example: http://hnn.us/articles/1090.html

Terrific article.

And yet there are still those who claim Reagan had little to do with winning the cold war.

I don't know to tell you the truth but I do think there was more than one shooter considering the weapon used and the time frame that the three shots were fired in. No way that weapon could have done that and no way it could have been Oswald alone. Who were the other people and who hired them? I have no idea.

That article is pure RNC propaganda and you lapdogs just foam at the mouth over it.

The Beatles had a greater effect than Reagan.


Whitesnake and Skid Row too!!!!! ;-)

DrTorch Wrote:But, for the record, I think LBJ was involved. That guy was pretty damn slimey.

After reading the 'Fidel' book I mentioned above, I came away thinking that a group within the govt. very well could've done it to save the countries butt from JFK's imcopetence. I liked his economic policies for a Dem anyway and alot of his rhetoric, but his actions it turns out were of question.


during the Cuban Missle crisis, we had an arsenal of around 5k nukes to the 300 the soviets had, and JFK got bullied. Kruschev got JFK to remove nukes from Turkey, which is what the Soviets really wanted, and got the US Govt. to take on an official policy to never overthrow Castro and not only that would keep(and take on as responsibilty) others(such as the freedom fighters) from doing anything to knock Castro out. The Coast Guard has actually picked up people trying to get organized and go in and fight after that........anyway, since we no longer could overthrow a Communist Dictator in our backyard, Kennedy then decided to go half way around the world to the Jungle to fight communism...rest is history and Castro is still in power, hopefully he'll die soon.


I think Iran was more interested in getting Jimmy carter to sign the Algiers Accords than getting Reagan elected, something Carter did on the way out and we are still paying for to this day.

Donny Dokken and the group who had that song about "Winds of Changes" down to Gorky park.......................



can't believe I don't remember the group..........................

Machiavelli Wrote:Donny Dokken and the group who had that song about "Winds of Changes" down to Gorky park.......................



can't believe I don't remember the group..........................

The Scorpions.

Machiavelli Wrote:That article is pure RNC propaganda and you lapdogs just foam at the mouth over it.

Truth isn't propaganda.

the archives had a Dossier on Reagan, its good stuff(mentioned in article).......if you find this stuff fascinating, I highly suggest the Documentary on it: "In the Face of Evil"

http://www.inthefaceofevil.com

Machiavelli Wrote:That article is pure RNC propaganda and you lapdogs just foam at the mouth over it.

I see. So as such you should have absolutely no problem presenting, oh I don't know, facts to refute it?

I'll be waiting with breathless anticipation for your refutation.

Machiavelli Wrote:That article is pure RNC propaganda and you lapdogs just foam at the mouth over it.

I'm sure in some ways both sides of the story have embellished the truth. However, there is no denying that the US under Kennedy had the advantage in the situation, yet gave away quite a bit of stuff.

mlb Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:That article is pure RNC propaganda and you lapdogs just foam at the mouth over it.

I'm sure in some ways both sides of the story have embellished the truth. However, there is no denying that the US under Kennedy had the advantage in the situation, yet gave away quite a bit of stuff.

While the US had an advantage in strategic warheads, intelligence missed the fact that the Soviets already had tactical nukes on FROG missiles already in Cuba. Had there been an invasion, I have no doubt the Soviets would have used them on the Marines coming up the beach.

That brings up a dicey situation. Kennedy said that any nuke launched from Cuba hitting the US mainland would be construed as an attack by the Soviet Union. But if a Soviet nuke was detonated on Cuban soil, how would we react?

I can't see an ICBM launch aganst the Soviet Union in that situtation. However I do see the US Navy using tactical ASW nukes against any Soviet submarines in the Caribbean. I don't think we would use nukes against Cuban targets. Things could escalate very quickly.

the last thing the Soviets wanted was a war halfway around the world with the US via their little puppet Cuba. We had the strategic advantage by far in the matter, should've been zero capitualtion. Especially when we had far more bombs than they did.


that whole thing explains why we've allowed someone as horrible as Castro to remain in power for so long however, its US policy.