Will Ohio State win tonight or will Florida beat OSU?
BCS lovers love to say that the season is a season long playoff.
So tonight we will eaither have Co-National Champions or we will have ONE champ in Boise State.
Of course I look forward to all the hypocritcal people claiming that only Ohio State will be champs. Funny they love to use the "season long playoff" excuse for their sorry ass system but yet when a team runs the tbale they are not worthy enough.
Congrats to Boise State on their National Championship!!!!!!
It sounds nice, and perhaps they should be, but it aint happenin, it is going to be in the hands of the voters, and nobody is going to vote Boise State above 2 no matter what happens tonight.
I'm a long time MAC fan and especially a life long Miami-Ohio fan. But, if Oklahoma would of had a good QB, I believe they would have won the game. If they had not gotten rid of Rhett Bomar they would have won the game. Being from the DFW area where Bomar is, I've seen him play in high school a lot and that kid has a very good arm and he is very accurate. He's also a gamer. There was a reason the fellow Oklahoma had at QB was moved out of that position. I understand he is a fine young man (maybe even a Christian fellow) but he was not as good of a throwing QB as Bomar was. I remember a few times during the game that he missed wide open receivers. Bomar would have made BSU pay for their turnovers.
The best thing about the BSU/Oklahoma game was seeing Stoops get beat at his own game--which is trick plays. Whenever he got behind to a team he wasn't suppossed to lose to, the ole trick play seemed to do the job. Well it was a thrill seeing it work against him the other night.
Bomar has nothing to do with this. He was dismissed from the team. It doesnt matter what would have happened if he was on the team.
While I prefer a 16-team playoff, I think it's important to mention that the BCS is an improvement over what was previously in place. Before the BCS, Boise State wouldn't of even had a shot against Oklahoma.
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:While I prefer a 16-team playoff, I think it's important to mention that the BCS is an improvement over what was previously in place. Before the BCS, Boise State wouldn't of even had a shot against Oklahoma.
Says the BCS homer.
Bartindekalb Wrote:georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:While I prefer a 16-team playoff, I think it's important to mention that the BCS is an improvement over what was previously in place. Before the BCS, Boise State wouldn't of even had a shot against Oklahoma.
Says the BCS homer.
+1
He is telling the truth. There is no denying it.
Baby steps people, baby steps.
If it werent for the BCS Boise State would have been playing their bowl game in their own stadium against Kentucky.
Terpy Wrote:He is telling the truth. There is no denying it.
Baby steps people, baby steps.
If it werent for the BCS Boise State would have been playing their bowl game in their own stadium against Kentucky.
Baby steps are ok, as long as we get to the final goal = playoffs.
Boise State would get their collective asses kicked by UF.
Terpy Wrote:Who said they wouldnt?
This guy.
Playoffs.
Bartindekalb Wrote:Terpy Wrote:He is telling the truth. There is no denying it.
Baby steps people, baby steps.
If it werent for the BCS Boise State would have been playing their bowl game in their own stadium against Kentucky.
Baby steps are ok, as long as we get to the final goal = playoffs.
we've done the bowl system forever. its time to take an adult step and get a playoff
When Boise State doesn't deserve another championship. They wouldn't last a second in the Big 12, SEC, or Big 10, etc.
Congrats to them going undefeated but they're not THE BEST TEAM or even Top 5.
RebelKev Wrote:Boise State would get their collective asses kicked by UF.
Just like Florida was going to get their asses kicked by Ohio State. And just like how Boise State was supposed to get their asses kicked by Oklahoma. Oh wait.
We'll never know because the BC$ doesn't want things settled on the field. They want computers and human opinion to determine the "top 2" teams and then settle it on the field.
BOISE STATE 2006-2007 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!
Okay... let's look at things prior to the BCS.
1990: Georgia Tech / Colorado split National Champions
Georgia Tech:
- 11-0-1 ... tied UNC, won at then #1 Virginia
- Played in then 8-team ACC (FSU hadn't yet joined)
Colorado:
- 11-1-1 ... needed a 5th down to avoid another loss, and a phantom clipping call on Notre Dame's Rocket Ismail to avoid ANOTHER loss.
- Played in the Big 8 ... a more respectable conference than the ACC at the time
And GT only won the coach's poll by ONE VOTE. If the BCS were in place then, GT would have got a shot to prove those luck *** Buffa-hos didn't belong. I mean really... how does a team with really 3 losses and a tie get a share with an undefeated team who beat #1 on the road, amongst other things.
Cajunman02 Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Boise State would get their collective asses kicked by UF.
Just like Florida was going to get their asses kicked by Ohio State. And just like how Boise State was supposed to get their asses kicked by Oklahoma. Oh wait.
We'll never know because the BC$ doesn't want things settled on the field. They want computers and human opinion to determine the "top 2" teams and then settle it on the field.
BOISE STATE 2006-2007 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!
Please. OU was mediocre at best. OSU was supposed to be the closest thing to the Chargers, by all accounts, and they were dominated.
Couple of points:
First, To say that Boise wouldn't last in a BCS conference is incorrect, because if Boise was in a BCS conference, they'd be pulling in bigger and better recruits, have better facilities, be able to pay their coach more. If they were in the Big 12, SEC, Big 10, ect., they'd have all the built in advantages that comes with those conferences.
Second, Remember that Boise allowed Oklahoma back in the game. Oklahoma was severly outplayed for three straight quarters, before Boise nearly blew it. It wasn't like it was a close game all the way through. Boise put on the better performance. When they almost blew the game, they still held on for the victory.
Its funny how the BCS thrives off of opinions. That is what the BCS's foundation is.
Opinions.
Yet when a team that is NOT in a "bcs" conference does very well then there is no way no how that they could EVER win.
Let the hypocrisy continue.
MU ATO Wrote:Its funny how the BCS thrives off of opinions. That is what the BCS's foundation is.
Opinions.
Yet when a team that is NOT in a "bcs" conference then there is no way no how that they could EVER win.
Let the hypocrisy continue.
Notre Dame isn't in a BCS Conference. Ever think that maybe BSU should start scheduling more BCS teams?
Notre Dame is the king of frauds.
RebelKev Wrote:MU ATO Wrote:Its funny how the BCS thrives off of opinions. That is what the BCS's foundation is.
Opinions.
Yet when a team that is NOT in a "bcs" conference then there is no way no how that they could EVER win.
Let the hypocrisy continue.
Notre Dame isn't in a BCS Conference. Ever think that maybe BSU should start scheduling more BCS teams?
Notre Dame.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote:Delusional Notre Dame Fan
....cue Bud Light Music...............
"Bud Light Presents, Real Men of Genius"
(Reaaaaal Men Of Genius)
Today we salute you, Mr. Delusional Notre Dame Fan! (Mr. Delusional Notre Dame Faaaaaan!)
Season after season, year after year, you try to justify your absurdly high preseason ranking. (We're That Good I Promise!)
Season after season, year after year, you scramble to make futile attempts at damage control when the Irish lose to a grossly inferior opponent (How'd Purdue score fifty fouuuuuur?)
Inevitably, you'll bring up the past, and boast of National Championships won 40 years before you were born. (Those were the daaaaaays!)
You will point out that you have more wins than any other program as though that is relevant to the current season. (Been playing since the 1870s!)
Go on, ignore that home loss to your archrivals in the regular season finale and continue to believe that you'll defeat your bowl opponent with striking ease. (We'll win by thirteeeeeeey!)
So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, oh Emperor of Excuses, and take comfort knowing that when you don't finish in the top 25, you'll be back to number three when the preseason polls come out next year. (Mr. Delusional Notre Dame Fan!)
I'm not saying Notre Dame is some strong team. What I AM saying is that the years they ARE playing well, they get to the big time....and they aren't in a BCS Conference either.
Wanna know the difference?
RebelKev Wrote:Wanna know the difference?
unwarranted hype?
Terpy Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Wanna know the difference?
unwarranted hype?
Notre Dame '06 Schedule
September 2 at Georgia Tech
September 9 No. 19 Penn State
September 16 No. 11 Michigan
September 23 at Michigan State
September 30 Purdue
October 7 Stanford
October 21 UCLA
October 28 at Navy
November 4 North Carolina
November 11 at Air Force
November 18 Army
November 25 at No. 3 USC
January 3 vs No. 3 LSU*
* Depicts Bowl
Boise State '06 Schedule
August 31 Sacramento State
September 7 Oregon State
September 16 at Wyoming
September 23 Hawaii
September 30 at Utah
October 7 Louisiana Tech
October 15 at New Mexico State
October 21 at Idaho
November 1 Fresno State
November 11 at San Jose State
November 18 Utah State
November 25 at Nevada
January 1 vs No. 11 Oklahoma*
* Depicts Bowl
I'm not trying to detract from BSU in any way. I think they had a helluva year. But don't bring me that **** about them being #1 in the nation just because they went undefeated when this was their schedule. If they want to get ranked higher, schedule tougher teams.
...and Terpy, I can't f'n stand ND.
RebelKev Wrote:MU ATO Wrote:Its funny how the BCS thrives off of opinions. That is what the BCS's foundation is.
Opinions.
Yet when a team that is NOT in a "bcs" conference then there is no way no how that they could EVER win.
Let the hypocrisy continue.
Notre Dame isn't in a BCS Conference. Ever think that maybe BSU should start scheduling more BCS teams?
Perhaps the BC$ teams should start scheduling Boise State more?
Id like to see it, but really a couple of games against BCS teams isnt going to make enough of a difference. Their conference schedule isnt going to cut it.
Cajunman02 Wrote:Perhaps the BC$ teams should start scheduling Boise State more?
It's not the BCS's job to try and make Boise State look strong, lite brite.
RebelKev Wrote:Terpy Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:Wanna know the difference?
unwarranted hype?
Notre Dame '06 Schedule
September 2 at Georgia Tech
September 9 No. 19 Penn State
September 16 No. 11 Michigan
September 23 at Michigan State
September 30 Purdue
October 7 Stanford
October 21 UCLA
October 28 at Navy
November 4 North Carolina
November 11 at Air Force
November 18 Army
November 25 at No. 3 USC
January 3 vs No. 3 LSU*
* Depicts Bowl
Boise State '06 Schedule
August 31 Sacramento State
September 7 Oregon State
September 16 at Wyoming
September 23 Hawaii
September 30 at Utah
October 7 Louisiana Tech
October 15 at New Mexico State
October 21 at Idaho
November 1 Fresno State
November 11 at San Jose State
November 18 Utah State
November 25 at Nevada
January 1 vs No. 11 Oklahoma*
* Depicts Bowl
I'm not trying to detract from BSU in any way. I think they had a helluva year. But don't bring me that **** about them being #1 in the nation just because they went undefeated when this was their schedule. If they want to get ranked higher, schedule tougher teams.
...and Terpy, I can't f'n stand ND.
Do you really think ND's schedule was that much tougher this year?
Michigan State - attrocious and ND barely pulled it out
Stanford - possibly the worst team in Div-I excluding Sun Belt
Army - Awful
Purdue - Goes to a bowl because of their easy schedule (No Mich. or tOSU)
North Carolina - joke
Air Force - Worse than the Wyoming team on Boise's schedule
ND played four ranked teams and lost to three of them all of which were blowouts.
Boise played 6 bowl bound teams and won them all. ND played 8 bowl bound teams and lost three of them.
You can't help what conference you play in. 5 of those weak games on Boise's schedule were conference games. Add that in with the 6 bowl bound teams and that only left 2 games.
blah Wrote:Do you really think ND's schedule was that much tougher this year?
Oh hell yeah. However, that wasn't my point. If BSU wants to be ranked higher, they need to start scheduling tougher teams. If they're in a weaker conference, then they need to schedule about 4 big teams from the PAC, Big-10, etc. My point was that ND isn't in a conference at all, yet if they go undefeated chances are they're going to the NC.
It's no one's fault but BSU that they are in a weak conference, sure, it was probably attractive at first. Maybe they should approach the PAC-10. I can guarantee you, as good as they are, and I have never doubted that, SOMEONE would take'em in. Look at their OOC schedule.
BTW Blah, you selectively left these out:
September 2 at Georgia Tech
September 9 No. 19 Penn State
September 16 No. 11 Michigan
October 21 UCLA
October 28 at Navy
November 11 at Air Force
November 25 at No. 3 USC
Yes. That's not exactly what I would call a "weak" schedule.
RebelKev Wrote:blah Wrote:Do you really think ND's schedule was that much tougher this year?
Oh hell yeah. However, that wasn't my point. If BSU wants to be ranked higher, they need to start scheduling tougher teams. If they're in a weaker conference, then they need to schedule about 4 big teams from the PAC, Big-10, etc. My point was that ND isn't in a conference at all, yet if they go undefeated chances are they're going to the NC.
It's no one's fault but BSU that they are in a weak conference, sure, it was probably attractive at first. Maybe they should approach the PAC-10. I can guarantee you, as good as they are, and I have never doubted that, SOMEONE would take'em in. Look at their OOC schedule.
Boise does go out and try to schedule these BC$ schools. But do you really think these BC$ schools, like LSU, USC, Ohio State, want to play Boise State? What do these teams have to gain? Nothing. They beat a team from a weaker conference. What do they have to lose? Everything because they lost to a non-BC$ school. It's easy to say that Boise needs to go out and schedule tougher teams. Perhaps it should be the tougher teams need to say YES when Boise asks if they want to schedule a game!
Cajunman02 Wrote:Boise does go out and try to schedule these BC$ schools. But do you really think these BC$ schools, like LSU, USC, Ohio State, want to play Boise State? What do these teams have to gain? Nothing. They beat a team from a weaker conference. What do they have to lose? Everything because they lost to a non-BC$ school. It's easy to say that Boise needs to go out and schedule tougher teams. Perhaps it should be the tougher teams need to say YES when Boise asks if they want to schedule a game!
Yeah, sure bud.
Is that why Arkansas schedules USC? UF schedules FSU? OSU schedules Tejas?
While Boise State has a very good team, there's no way they should be National Champions. Beating an OU team that my team beat by 3 TDs(and UT didn't play that well) shouldn't propel them to the #1 Slot.
One of the reasons the BCS was created was to prevent a "backdooring" to the MNC like BYU did in 1984. Playing a schedule like BYU did back then and then to get ranked above all others was ridiculous. Another one was to prevent teams on probation frpm getting ranked #1 at the end of the year ala 1974 OU. People forget that the sportswriters in this country have refused time and time again to take the high road and will still rank teams that have been cheating. That's just not fair to the rest of Div 1A Teams who try their best to play by the rules.
Quote:Boise does go out and try to schedule these BC$ schools. But do you really think these BC$ schools, like LSU, USC, Ohio State, want to play Boise State? What do these teams have to gain? Nothing. They beat a team from a weaker conference. What do they have to lose? Everything because they lost to a non-BC$ school. It's easy to say that Boise needs to go out and schedule tougher teams. Perhaps it should be the tougher teams need to say YES when Boise asks if they want to schedule a game!
I believe that Boise State just backed out of their series with Georgia especially since the Bulldogs destroyed them in 2005. I'm sure that most major teams aren't scared of them. However, playing in Boise in 30000 seat stadium venue when Fall starts isn't going to be my idea of having fun if you're the opposing team. Major schools would lose money playing in those small venues on a straight home-and-home basis. If Boise State wants to play my Longhorns down in Austin in September, I say go for it. We'll play them as long as they willing to come down here. For the record, we're playing TCU next season and the Horned Frogs are another one of those "Mid-Major" teams that have been on the cusp of making the BCS.
Quote:I'm not saying Notre Dame is some strong team. What I AM saying is that the years they ARE playing well, they get to the big time....and they aren't in a BCS Conference either.
Notre Dame is part of the BCS Alliance because simply, they're are the 2nd winningest college football program of all time. You cannot exclude a football program that has a winning tradition like Notre Dame out of the loop. The Fighting Irish have to win at least 10 games now and be ranked in the Top Eight to make it to a BCS Bowl. Not always an easy thing to do these days especially since they have to play two "Cathedral" schools every year.
Quote:While I prefer a 16-team playoff, I think it's important to mention that the BCS is an improvement over what was previously in place. Before the BCS, Boise State wouldn't of even had a shot against Oklahoma.
If there was ever a playoff, I would prefer a 12-team one with no auto-bids but is wholly sponsored by the BCS and not the NCAA. The "Big Conference" schools will
never allow their main revenue sport to be controlled by the NCAA in that fashion. The "Mid-Majors" better start accepting that fact before ever talking about a playoff. I should also say that before the BCS, my team wasn't not allowed to go to the Rose Bowl because of the auto tie-ins. Now. because of it, we are. I agree with you, GTS..your Yellowjackets got screwed out of a consensus MNC back in 1990 because there wasn't a BCS. That and Colorado forgot to do the honorable thing in their game against Mizzou that year and forfeit it.
I will also like to conclude that the Bowl System has been a part of Div1A Football for a long time. If it is ever to be done away with then the schools who have been participating in Div1A Football for at least 50 years should make that decision.
RebelKev Wrote:Cajunman02 Wrote:Boise does go out and try to schedule these BC$ schools. But do you really think these BC$ schools, like LSU, USC, Ohio State, want to play Boise State? What do these teams have to gain? Nothing. They beat a team from a weaker conference. What do they have to lose? Everything because they lost to a non-BC$ school. It's easy to say that Boise needs to go out and schedule tougher teams. Perhaps it should be the tougher teams need to say YES when Boise asks if they want to schedule a game!
Yeah, sure bud.
Is that why Arkansas schedules USC? UF schedules FSU? OSU schedules Tejas?
wow you really dont get it
RC Horn Wrote:Notre Dame is part of the BCS Alliance because simply, they're are the 2nd winningest college football program of all time. You cannot exclude a football program that has a winning tradition like Notre Dame out of the loop. The Fighting Irish have to win at least 10 games now and be ranked in the Top Eight to make it to a BCS Bowl. Not always an easy thing to do these days especially since they have to play two "Cathedral" schools every year.
Gotta disagree with you here, it has nothing to do with Notre Dames winning tradition and everything to do with how much money the networks can make off of Notre Dame. Of course they wouldnt be worth the big bucks without their tradition, but it is the money and not the tradition that gets Notre Dame into the BCS equation.
Terpy Wrote:wow you really dont get it
Oh, I get it. I would like to see a playoff and I SERIOUSLY contend that BSU would get their asses handed to them if they were to play in the SEC.
I also get the fact that if they want to be taken seriously, they need to stop scheduling cupcake teams. I think I made that point rather clearly. All of these teams, like Utah a while back, etc., would NOT be undefeated in a conference like the SEC.
Can you say the same about this years UF? Would Florida have gone undefeated with BSU's schedule? Hell, I can name two other SEC teams that would have as well.
RebelKev Wrote:Terpy Wrote:wow you really dont get it
Oh, I get it. I would like to see a playoff and I SERIOUSLY contend that BSU would get their asses handed to them if they were to play in the SEC.
I also get the fact that if they want to be taken seriously, they need to stop scheduling cupcake teams. I think I made that point rather clearly. All of these teams, like Utah a while back, etc., would NOT be undefeated in a conference like the SEC.
Can you say the same about this years UF? Would Florida have gone undefeated with BSU's schedule? Hell, I can name two other SEC teams that would have as well.
You still didn't get my point. Boise will schedule more BC$ teams when the BC$ teams agree to play Boise. Boise tries, but the big schools don't want to play.
Terpy Wrote:![[Image: nd1.gif]](http://www.bceaglesfootball.com/images/nd1.gif)
lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao
Wow a flow chart!!!
To be a Tarheel fan its even easier. Go to Wal Mart, buyt Tarheel apparell, become Tarheel fan.
;-)
The best part is Have a good season --> go to a bowl game--> win--> no applicable data lmfao lmfao lmfao
ESPN.com doesn't have Notre Dame in their 2007 pre-season rankings.
terpy...thanks for the invite!
"Boise played 6 bowl bound teams and won them all. ND played 8 bowl bound teams and lost three of them."
Not only that...counting Boise St...those Bowl bound teams went 5-1.
Oregon St beat BCS Missouri (and was 1 of only 2 teams to beat USC)
Hawaii pounded BCS Az St 41-24 (and beat the #4 B10 team Purdue the game before)
Utah beat Tulsa 25-13
San Jose St beat New Mex 20-12
and of course Boise St beat BCS #7 Oklahoma
Only Nevada lost. A 1 point loss to BCS Miami.
Say what you will about a mid-major playing a mid-major schedule. But they soundly beat nearly everyone they played. And I will remind everyone that everyone's unbeatable Ohio State spent a full season (until Michigan) at #1 riding only one so called quality win. A low level Top 25 Texas.
Ohio State beat Illinois by only 17-10. Illinois won only 2 games
Ohio State beat Northwestern in conference. Northwestern lost to division 2 New Hampshire.
MICHIGAN?!?!...they held off Ball State by a TD that Ball State had 7 chances to get at game's end.
Pre-Bowl games, no one was givin a chance against OSU or Michigan (according to the media). We all saw how that ended up.
Boise St went 13-0 against quality competition and beat a #7 Oklahoma team that has 7 NC in their history, and except for getting hosed by the refs in the replay booth at Oregon, would have been challenging Florida for that National Title shot.
Boise St earned at least a share of the National Title.
IMHO
BSU deserves something. A shot at least.
But, as a fan of a team in a "lesser conference" (and a realist) I'd prefer they not get their asses kicked by the likes of Florida. The system preventing them from contesting the championship this year actually makes them more appealing to recruits, thus more chance for success in future years.
Them not playing also creates an amount of disdain for the BCS and sympathy for the "lesser conferences."
I'd prefer they not too. Felt that way prior to the Oklahoma game. I also picked them to win that game in a pool I was in.
Would most mid-majors get embarrassed? Sure. But Boise St has proved to me at least that they could hang with the big boys. They nearly beat #5 Louisville 2 years ago in a bowl game. UL was a mid-major themselves that year so few BCS supporters paid attention. Louisville was excluded from a BCS Bowl game themselves that year after posting an 11-1 record...only losing on the road to a Top 10 Miami (by a FG). A game they were dominating and gave away in the 4th quarter
Now UL's a major program themselves simply by changing conferences and they beat a BCS conference champion of their own this year.
Mid-major or not, if you're good enuf, you're good enuf...and BSU clearly is.
And another Tau in here!
VTL
Louisville was as dominant that year...as they were this year. Losing this year only to a #12 Rutgers on a game ending FG to a team that got two shots at it.
Twice in 3 years now, Louisville missed a Title shot by 3 points as the buzzer sounded.
They were as dominant in 2004 as they were this year. The difference is, had they beat Rutgers, they would have got that Title shot this year cause they're in a BCS conference. Where as in 2004...they would have been dissed as a mid-major just like BSU this year
UL's 2004 record...
2004: 11-1-0
Coach:
Bob Petrino
Conference USA Champions
W/L
Date
PF
Opponent
PA
Location
Notes
W
09-05-2004
28
Kentucky
0
Louisville, KY
W
09-11-2004
52
Army (NY)
21
West Point, NY
W
09-25-2004
34
North Carolina
0
Chapel Hill, NC
W
10-02-2004
59
East Carolina (NC)
7
Louisville, KY
L
10-14-2004
38
Miami (FL)
41
Miami, FL
W
10-22-2004
41
South Florida
9
Louisville, KY
W
11-04-2004
56
Memphis (TN)
49
Memphis, TN
W
11-10-2004
55
Texas Christian
28
Louisville, KY
W
11-20-2004
65
Houston (TX)
27
Houston, TX
W
11-27-2004
70
Cincinnati (OH)
7
Louisville, KY
W
12-04-2004
55
Tulane (LA)
7
New Orleans, LA
W
12-31-2004
44
Boise St. (ID)
40
Liberty Bowl
For you that say this team beat this BCS team, blah blah, you have to realize that all you have to have is a 6-win season to actually go to a bowl game. Winning only 6 games in the SEC, Big-10, ACC, PAC-10, really isn't saying anything. Most major conferences schedule weaker OOC schools. The question is, why? I can tell you why the SEC does it. They generally like to keep it in the region, I.e. Middle-Tennessee, Fl. Intl, La.-Monroe, etc., and the SEC is always very competitive, so it makes no sense to schedule a tough OOC team when you have more than adequate competition in-conference.
My hat's off to BSU though. That's definitely a story of success. Tell me though, if they would have played UF, what would it look like? They have pretty much the same colors. ;-)