I was just wondering where we would be right now if Gore had won, here is what I came up with....
9-11 would still have happened.
We would not be in either Afganistan or Iraq under Gore.
As a result, even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
I would be paying much more in Taxes, and the economy would be in ruin after the terrorist attacks.
Possible socialized healthcare.
Republicans would have big time majorities in the House & Senate, and Giuliani would have been elected President in 2004.
GrayBeard Wrote:even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
Of course no one will hijack a couple of big planes and fly into a building, but who would stop someone from strapping a bomb to themselves and blwing up a mall or renting a cessna and loading it up with explsives and flying into a building.
These things are very possible on American soil and there is very little the government can do to stop them.
GB-
95% of American think we should be in Afghanistan. We would be in Afghanistan and probaly have killed OBL. We would not be in Iraq. We probably would of had a moonshot effort to curb ourselves from carbon based fuels. Shoot, I could imagine the scenario where the big three would be kicking Toyota and Honda's butts because they have some cool cars coming on the market. The DOW would be pushing 15,000. We may not even of had 9-11 because Gore would of actually read the Aug. 9th memo that Al-Queda was trying to hijack airplanes. Exercises like this are futile. Once the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush in 2000, we started on the path we find ourselves in today.
BTW.....Remember Bush did pledge in the 2000 campaign to regulate CO2. Ahhhh the 2000 campaign what memories. Rember how he came out against nation building inthe L.A. debate. Wow what a difference a couple of years make.
uhmump95 Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
Of course no one will hijack a couple of big planes and fly into a building, but who would stop someone from strapping a bomb to themselves and blwing up a mall or renting a cessna and loading it up with explsives and flying into a building.
These things are very possible on American soil and there is very little the government can do to stop them.
Remember that guy in CA who wanted to commit suicide and drove his SUV on train tracks? It was hit by a commuter train (he changed his mind and ran), and killed over 100, I believe.
Hate to say it, but if I were a terrorist, I'd be taking notes on that. Maybe find ways to amplify the damage...
Anyway, back to your point. There is only so much the gov't can do to keep us truly "safe".
Machiavelli Wrote:GB-
95% of American think we should be in Afghanistan. We would be in Afghanistan and probaly have killed OBL. We would not be in Iraq. We probably would of had a moonshot effort to curb ourselves from carbon based fuels. Shoot, I could imagine the scenario where the big three would be kicking Toyota and Honda's butts because they have some cool cars coming on the market. The DOW would be pushing 15,000. We may not even of had 9-11 because Gore would of actually read the Aug. 9th memo that Al-Queda was trying to hijack airplanes. Exercises like this are futile. Once the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush in 2000, we started on the path we find ourselves in today.
BTW.....Remember Bush did pledge in the 2000 campaign to regulate CO2. Ahhhh the 2000 campaign what memories. Rember how he came out against nation building inthe L.A. debate. Wow what a difference a couple of years make.
First of all, this is just speculation, so I wouldn't call it an "exercise". It is just something for us politicos to spout off about. Second, I agree that 95% of American's wanted us in Afganistan, but come on....algore is a wimp when it comes to national security and the military. He would have turned to diplomacy and diplomacy alone. Heck, he probably would have paied Al Quaida and the Taliban to stop. lmfao
He would not have stopped the attacks after the August 9 memo. I think it was already too late at that point, unless we just got lucky.
Dow at 15,000? Are you kidding me? The economy was over inflated when Clinton left office. The .com boom was headed .bust, and Gore would not have had the economical where with all to get the economy turned around. Can you say economic troubles for a while? Why yes you can.
Machiavelli Wrote:GB-
95% of American think we should be in Afghanistan. We would be in Afghanistan and probaly have killed OBL. We would not be in Iraq. We probably would of had a moonshot effort to curb ourselves from carbon based fuels. Shoot, I could imagine the scenario where the big three would be kicking Toyota and Honda's butts because they have some cool cars coming on the market. The DOW would be pushing 15,000. We may not even of had 9-11 because Gore would of actually read the Aug. 9th memo that Al-Queda was trying to hijack airplanes. Exercises like this are futile. Once the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush in 2000, we started on the path we find ourselves in today.
BTW.....Remember Bush did pledge in the 2000 campaign to regulate CO2. Ahhhh the 2000 campaign what memories. Rember how he came out against nation building inthe L.A. debate. Wow what a difference a couple of years make.
Should we invade Pakistan?
Would Musharaff play ball???????????????? Obviously not, unless you believe that maybe.... just maybe........ Bush needs OBL alive so he has an enemy. I just didn't go there did I?????
Machiavelli Wrote:Would Musharaff play ball???????????????? Obviously not, unless you believe that maybe.... just maybe........ Bush needs OBL alive so he has an enemy. I just didn't go there did I?????
I thought Bush had an enemy...Dogger. :shhh:
GrayBeard Wrote:I was just wondering where we would be right now if Gore had won, here is what I came up with....
9-11 would still have happened.
Yes. And everyone who cites the Aug 9 memo, should look back and see how many memos crossed the desk that DIDN'T happen.
Quote:We would not be in either Afganistan or Iraq under Gore.
Probably.
Quote:As a result, even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
Hard to say. What would homeland security be like now? They've busted a few cell groups, put pressure on others. I can believe that w/o those efforts, we'd have seen one more event.
Quote:I would be paying much more in Taxes, and the economy would be in ruin after the terrorist attacks.
More in taxes no doubt. And the economy would be a mess.
Quote:Possible socialized healthcare.
Maybe.
Quote:Republicans would have big time majorities in the House & Senate, and Giuliani would have been elected President in 2004.
Not Giuliana, McCain.
We also would have signed the Kyoto Protocol and more manufacturing jobs would have left the US. I'd be willing to bet that nearly all major non-DOD manufacturing would be gone (especially as labor contracts expired).
Gas and steel prices would be as high, but no one would care about steel, b/c no one would be building.
Cities would be decay, as looters start raiding the infrastructure for scrap metal sales.
The US would look like it did in the late '70s, with industry in shambles, stagflation, and a weak foreign policy.
Jimmy Carter would then get Al Gore a job at Emory, where he can brag how smart he was as a president, and how that his policies saved the world.
Machiavelli Wrote:Would Musharaff play ball???????????????? Obviously not, unless you believe that maybe.... just maybe........ Bush needs OBL alive so he has an enemy. I just didn't go there did I?????
....then how are we supposed to get Bin Laden? You see, this is one of the flaws, which I use plural, in the liberals argument. First, you think invading Afghanistan was fine. It was to get Bin Laden. But when he slips into Pakistan, you don't want to do anything. As for Bin Laden himself, you people on the left foolishly think that killing him is going to stop terrorism. The naivety of the left amazes me. You people just don't f'n get that this is a MAJOR, world-wide problem and killing one weird beard isn't going to stop a damn thing because you look at the entire think as a law enforcement issue.
Machiavelli Wrote:Once the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush in 2000, we started on the path we find ourselves in today.
Can you find me one recount (yes there were multiple done) that would have shifted the electoral college vote to Gore? IIRC they all showed Bush still winning.
Machiavelli Wrote:probaly have killed OBL.
You have any basis for this speculation, other than wishful thinking and partisan politics?
Hard to kill OBL when your forward progress stops at the UN.
15,000 Dow? Under Gore, we would be lucky to be over 10,000. How can you squawk that the Reps are biased toward bug business and then say Gore would have been more advantageous for big business?
OptimisticOwl Wrote:15,000 Dow? Under Gore, we would be lucky to be over 10,000. How can you squawk that the Reps are biased toward bug business and then say Gore would have been more advantageous for big business?
The Dow being at 12,000 right now was brought on by tax cuts. Gore never would have cut taxes. He also would have raised taxes on corporations and not cut the dividend tax. That doesn't exactly send the Dow surging upward.
GrayBeard Wrote:I was just wondering where we would be right now if Gore had won, here is what I came up with....
9-11 would still have happened.
We would not be in either Afganistan or Iraq under Gore.
As a result, even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
I would be paying much more in Taxes, and the economy would be in ruin after the terrorist attacks.
Possible socialized healthcare.
Republicans would have big time majorities in the House & Senate, and Giuliani would have been elected President in 2004.
lmfao
It's funny how much Al Gore's possible run for re-election has you and your ilk scared that he will win. lmfao
Keep on sweating boys.
JTiger Wrote:It's funny how much Al Gore's possible run for re-election has you and your ilk scared that he will win. lmfao
Keep on sweating boys.
Scared? JTiger, please, whatever you do, tell all the Democrats you know to run Gore as the candidate in '08. Please.
RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:It's funny how much Al Gore's possible run for re-election has you and your ilk scared that he will win. lmfao
Keep on sweating boys.
Scared? JTiger, please, whatever you do, tell all the Democrats you know to run Gore as the candidate in '08. Please.
I second that. A Gore/Kerry ticket.
Get to work scaring the crap out of us.
GrayBeard Wrote:I was just wondering where we would be right now if Gore had won, here is what I came up with....
9-11 would still have happened.
We would not be in either Afganistan or Iraq under Gore.
As a result, even more attacks would have been very possible on American soil.
I would be paying much more in Taxes, and the economy would be in ruin after the terrorist attacks.
Possible socialized healthcare.
Republicans would have big time majorities in the House & Senate, and Giuliani would have been elected President in 2004.
I agree with all of the above, but I think we still would have gone in to Afghanistan and I don't think the healthcare thing would take affect either.
RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:It's funny how much Al Gore's possible run for re-election has you and your ilk scared that he will win. lmfao
Keep on sweating boys.
Scared? JTiger, please, whatever you do, tell all the Democrats you know to run Gore as the candidate in '08. Please.
Then why are you guys bringing him up all the sudden?
If he runs, he will give you side a good run for their money. If he wasn't a threat you wouldn't be talking about him. Face it, you're scared. He's won the popular vote once, which is the same number as Bush has.
JTiger Wrote:If he runs, he will give you side a good run for their money. If he wasn't a threat you wouldn't be talking about him. Face it, you're scared. He's won the popular vote once, which is the same number as Bush has.
Like I said, just run him as your candidate. I won't elaborate on why. :shhh:
RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:If he runs, he will give you side a good run for their money. If he wasn't a threat you wouldn't be talking about him. Face it, you're scared. He's won the popular vote once, which is the same number as Bush has.
Like I said, just run him as your candidate. I won't elaborate on why. :shhh:
No you'll just crap yourself with whoever you try to run against him. Bring Condi "I don't have a chance in the South" Rice on.
JTiger Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:If he runs, he will give you side a good run for their money. If he wasn't a threat you wouldn't be talking about him. Face it, you're scared. He's won the popular vote once, which is the same number as Bush has.
Like I said, just run him as your candidate. I won't elaborate on why. :shhh:
No you'll just crap yourself with whoever you try to run against him. Bring Condi "I don't have a chance in the South" Rice on.
Oh, I forgot, Gore had SUCH a huge chance in the South.
RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:JTiger Wrote:If he runs, he will give you side a good run for their money. If he wasn't a threat you wouldn't be talking about him. Face it, you're scared. He's won the popular vote once, which is the same number as Bush has.
Like I said, just run him as your candidate. I won't elaborate on why. :shhh:
No you'll just crap yourself with whoever you try to run against him. Bring Condi "I don't have a chance in the South" Rice on.
Oh, I forgot, Gore had SUCH a huge chance in the South.
More than Condi. The facts are that the republicans NEED the south to win, the democrats don't. That is reality, like it or not for your party.
EDIT: BTW, cool signature pic.