This is still a worthless stat. After a persons unemployment benefits run out they come off the statistic. If someone gets laid off and isn't directly looking for a job for a month they come off the stat.
95.6% of all citizens wanting to work do not have a job.
mlb Wrote:95.6% of all citizens wanting to work do not have a job.
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DrTorch Wrote:mlb Wrote:95.6% of all citizens wanting to work do not have a job.
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The way the stat looks to the uninformed is that 95.6% of all people wanting to work have a job. That is simply not true.
4.4% of people who have been laid off/come in to the work force in the last 6 months do not have a job. The statistic does not count people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits, or people who give up their job search after a short amount of time because they are considered no longer looking for employment. The statistic is worthless.
mlb Wrote:This is still a worthless stat. After a persons unemployment benefits run out they come off the statistic. If someone gets laid off and isn't directly looking for a job for a month they come off the stat.
95.6% of all citizens wanting to work do not have a job.
mlb Wrote:This is still a worthless stat. After a persons unemployment benefits run out they come off the statistic. If someone gets laid off and isn't directly looking for a job for a month they come off the stat.
95.6% of all citizens wanting to work do not have a job.
Hey, it's the same f'n way they've used for years to come up with percentages. Did you bitch during the Clinton years?
God, you libs will bitch about anything.
mlb Wrote:The way the stat looks to the uninformed is that 95.6% of all people wanting to work have a job. That is simply not true.
4.4% of people who have been laid off/come in to the work force in the last 6 months do not have a job. The statistic does not count people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits, or people who give up their job search after a short amount of time because they are considered no longer looking for employment. The statistic is worthless.
I don't think it's "worthless". If nothing else, it's a decent relative gauge from one period to the next.
But, I've always been bewildered by these people who "give up their job search." What do they do? How do they live? You have to have some job. It just makes no sense to me that there are 10s of thousands of unemployed people wandering the streets. (Except for those Webb campaign workers)
RebelKev Wrote:Hey, it's the same f'n way they've used for years to come up with percentages. Did you ***** during the Clinton years?
God, you libs will ***** about anything.
Ok, lets clarify a few things here:
A. I said the same thing during the Clinton years. Unemployment is truly the dumbest statistic I've ever heard. The description doesn't match what it actually measures.
B. I'm not a liberal, I am a moderate. I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
I lean closer to libertarian than any other party, in case you'd like to know. I think both the democrats and the republicans are morons who are too short sited to see what happens with all of their choices, both socially and fiscally.
DrTorch Wrote:But, I've always been bewildered by these people who "give up their job search." What do they do? How do they live? You have to have some job. It just makes no sense to me that there are 10s of thousands of unemployed people wandering the streets. (Except for those Webb campaign workers)
That is a great question. I don't know what they do. Just like people who exhaust their unemployment... what do they do? They no longer count on the unemployment percentage index, however.
Anecdotal evidence, but still...
I have owned or otherwise been associated with many businesses over the last 35 years. Most of them were small, and so I am familiar with all the employees. Over the years i have had to let very few go. Of the ones who filed for unemployment compensation EVERY ONE found a job the week after the benefits ran out. EVERY last one. One even told me she wouldn't be looking for a job until she had to. She lined one up to start the first day she was off the rolls.
Don't know about the rest of the states, but in Texas the unemployment benefits are funded by the former employer.
DrTorch Wrote:But, I've always been bewildered by these people who "give up their job search." What do they do? How do they live? You have to have some job. It just makes no sense to me that there are 10s of thousands of unemployed people wandering the streets. (Except for those Webb campaign workers)
My wife works for a non-profit and sees people like this regularly. What do they do? She says most watch court shows and Jerry Springer on TV all day. Big screen TVs. Some are actually doing things to keep themselves busy, but most are in the former group. So I guess that is what they do in the Cincinnati area. I have no idea how they sustain themselves.
DrTorch Wrote:mlb Wrote:The way the stat looks to the uninformed is that 95.6% of all people wanting to work have a job. That is simply not true.
4.4% of people who have been laid off/come in to the work force in the last 6 months do not have a job. The statistic does not count people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits, or people who give up their job search after a short amount of time because they are considered no longer looking for employment. The statistic is worthless.
I don't think it's "worthless". If nothing else, it's a decent relative gauge from one period to the next.
But, I've always been bewildered by these people who "give up their job search." What do they do? How do they live? You have to have some job. It just makes no sense to me that there are 10s of thousands of unemployed people wandering the streets. (Except for those Webb campaign workers)
Go to almost any city of about 30,000 or more(and many with smaller populations) and there will be at least one homeless shelter. Yes, there probably are 10's of thousands of people wandering the streets. You just don't see it because you don't want to or care to look.
RobertN Wrote:Go to almost any city of about 30,000 or more(and many with smaller populations) and there will be at least one homeless shelter. Yes, there probably are 10's of thousands of people wandering the streets. You just don't see it because you don't want to or care to look.
How much you wanna bet they're ran by moonbats such as yourself? Sorry, when you tax the hell out of citizens and businesses, no, no company is coming to your sorry-assed city. Not Bush's fault.
RebelKev Wrote:RobertN Wrote:Go to almost any city of about 30,000 or more(and many with smaller populations) and there will be at least one homeless shelter. Yes, there probably are 10's of thousands of people wandering the streets. You just don't see it because you don't want to or care to look.
How much you wanna bet they're ran by moonbats such as yourself? Sorry, when you tax the hell out of citizens and businesses, no, no company is coming to your sorry-assed city. Not Bush's fault.
There are increasingly more people from well off areas experiencing homelessness. Heres a Tribune article form last year that looks at the homeless in DuPage County, one of the wealthiest in the nation.
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn...08920.html
niuhuskie84 Wrote:There are increasingly more people from well off areas experiencing homelessness. Heres a Tribune article form last year that looks at the homeless in DuPage County, one of the wealthiest in the nation.
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn...08920.html
Yeah, all Bush's fault. Unemployment is at 4.4%, the lowest it's been in YEARS. Clinton never experienced this. If these fools can't get jobs.......how is this my problem again?
I am not one of those "Compassionate Conservatives" you hear about. I don't give a damn about any dumb*** that doesn't want to work.....and with this economy, if you can't find a job, you're an idiot.
RebelKev Wrote:niuhuskie84 Wrote:There are increasingly more people from well off areas experiencing homelessness. Heres a Tribune article form last year that looks at the homeless in DuPage County, one of the wealthiest in the nation.
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn...08920.html
Yeah, all Bush's fault. Unemployment is at 4.4%, the lowest it's been in YEARS. Clinton never experienced this. If these fools can't get jobs.......how is this my problem again?
I am not one of those "Compassionate Conservatives" you hear about. I don't give a damn about any dumb*** that doesn't want to work.....and with this economy, if you can't find a job, you're an idiot.
If you read the article, it sounds to me like they're trying pretty hard to find work. Its not like they're sitting at home watching Springer.
And if you can't find it in your heart to find compassion for your fellow man, well than this is a pretty sorry country we live in.
niuhuskie84 Wrote:If you read the article, it sounds to me like they're trying pretty hard to find work. Its not like they're sitting at home watching Springer.
And if you can't find it in your heart to find compassion for your fellow man, well than this is a pretty sorry country we live in.
If you can't find work, when unemployment is at 4.4%, then you aren't trying hard enough. I have seen these people, many don't want to leave and expect a job to come to them. Well, guess what, MY ass commuted from Augusta to Atlanta, Ga for a year because I couldn't find a job in Augusta. You do what you have to do. You don't bitch about the damn President that has nothing to do with local politics and, in turn, local economies.
...and no, I don't give a rat's ass about those people because I know damn well if they WERE trying hard enough, they'd HAVE a job. Lemme guess, it's not the money they wanted. It's not where they want to live. BOO F'N HOO. Companies aren't created to provide you with a f'n job. You are there to provide a company with a skill that will, in turn, help their overall production. I don't understand why Democrats can't see this.
niuhuskie84 Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:niuhuskie84 Wrote:There are increasingly more people from well off areas experiencing homelessness. Heres a Tribune article form last year that looks at the homeless in DuPage County, one of the wealthiest in the nation.
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn...08920.html
Yeah, all Bush's fault. Unemployment is at 4.4%, the lowest it's been in YEARS. Clinton never experienced this. If these fools can't get jobs.......how is this my problem again?
I am not one of those "Compassionate Conservatives" you hear about. I don't give a damn about any dumb*** that doesn't want to work.....and with this economy, if you can't find a job, you're an idiot.
If you read the article, it sounds to me like they're trying pretty hard to find work. Its not like they're sitting at home watching Springer.
And if you can't find it in your heart to find compassion for your fellow man, well than this is a pretty sorry country we live in.
Real compassion is giving people an opportunity. It's DOING something, not giving sympathetic lip-service, serving as some co-dependent enabler.
And I happen to think it's a pretty sorry country we live in, when people don't expect their neighbor to work reasonably hard...especially when there is outsourcing and global competition that affects all of us.
I wonder if this attitude is the explanation why the US is in nearly LAST PLACE when students compete internationally.
Once again those on the left prove that they create the very problems they are so vocal about. It's b*itch and whine, and you just get more b*itchy when a conserative SOLVES problems.
RebelKev Wrote:...and no, I don't give a rat's ass about those people because I know damn well if they WERE trying hard enough, they'd HAVE a job. Lemme guess, it's not the money they wanted. It's not where they want to live. BOO F'N HOO. Companies aren't created to provide you with a f'n job. You are there to provide a company with a skill that will, in turn, help their overall production. I don't understand why Democrats can't see this.
These people are always free to start their own companies. I mean c'mon, if it's so easy for some other company to give you your dream job, then do it yourself...right?
(I'm always amazed at how the most arent Democrats start acting like Republicans when they start their own company. Oh, they still say all the Democrat things...but their actions are quite different.)
DrTorch Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:...and no, I don't give a rat's ass about those people because I know damn well if they WERE trying hard enough, they'd HAVE a job. Lemme guess, it's not the money they wanted. It's not where they want to live. BOO F'N HOO. Companies aren't created to provide you with a f'n job. You are there to provide a company with a skill that will, in turn, help their overall production. I don't understand why Democrats can't see this.
These people are always free to start their own companies. I mean c'mon, if it's so easy for some other company to give you your dream job, then do it yourself...right?
(I'm always amazed at how the most arent Democrats start acting like Republicans when they start their own company. Oh, they still say all the Democrat things...but their actions are quite different.)
More or less what happened to me....
But I don't know why you are surprised. There is a heck of a difference in cashing a paycheck and signing one. Plus you get an up close and personal view of who really pays the taxes.
OptimisticOwl Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:RebelKev Wrote:...and no, I don't give a rat's ass about those people because I know damn well if they WERE trying hard enough, they'd HAVE a job. Lemme guess, it's not the money they wanted. It's not where they want to live. BOO F'N HOO. Companies aren't created to provide you with a f'n job. You are there to provide a company with a skill that will, in turn, help their overall production. I don't understand why Democrats can't see this.
These people are always free to start their own companies. I mean c'mon, if it's so easy for some other company to give you your dream job, then do it yourself...right?
(I'm always amazed at how the most arent Democrats start acting like Republicans when they start their own company. Oh, they still say all the Democrat things...but their actions are quite different.)
More or less what happened to me....
But I don't know why you are surprised. There is a heck of a difference in cashing a paycheck and signing one. Plus you get an up close and personal view of who really pays the taxes.
Just a bit of sarcasm on my part...
Maybe I've missed something in all the scholarly postings above, but I always understood that 3-5% unemployment was really full employment, that the small percentage was those transitionioning from from one job to another, that they were the grease that made the gears of economy turn. If we had 0.0 % unemployment, no one could hire a new worker without taking him from another business. It would be difficult to start new businesses or expand old ones. It would actually be a labor shortage.
Some people are unemployed by choice, others by stubborness. But for some, if they want it to be, it can be a great opportunity. I was unemployed once, and that led me to search new possibilities for my life, and I am MUCH better off today than if I had kept that job I lost. I would never have embarked on the course my life has taken had I stayed in that job.
I'm curious as to how much of this is holiday employment as opposed to permanent employment.
JTiger Wrote:I'm curious as to how much of this is holiday employment as opposed to permanent employment.
Holiday employment? In Aug-Oct?
DrTorch Wrote:Holiday employment? In Aug-Oct?
Come on, Torch. Halloween!
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:Holiday employment? In Aug-Oct?
Come on, Torch. Halloween!
Of course! I am dumn.
DrTorch Wrote:JTiger Wrote:I'm curious as to how much of this is holiday employment as opposed to permanent employment.
Holiday employment? In Aug-Oct?
When I was in college I always worked retail for the holiday season and was hired in October by the stores. You want your sales staff trained by the November when people start shopping for Christmas.
JTiger Wrote:DrTorch Wrote:JTiger Wrote:I'm curious as to how much of this is holiday employment as opposed to permanent employment.
Holiday employment? In Aug-Oct?
When I was in college I always worked retail for the holiday season and was hired in October by the stores. You want your sales staff trained by the November when people start shopping for Christmas.
That may be preferable, but my understanding is that most of the holiday hiring is done from T'giving to Xmas...especially w/ college kids getting some of that time off.
I'm sure these numbers were aided by college students returning to university, but it's still a remarkably low number...particularly when combined w/ the increase in median income seen early this year.
Those are profound numbers which people don't seem to accept b/c they are always being fed negative.