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Are liberals soft on the war on terror? Yes. No, that wasn

To suggest that the beliefs of a super fringe group (9/11 consipracy theorists) represent all liberals, is laughable.

Liberals are soft on everything--except middle-aged white males. That's the one thing they're tough on.

Endzone2 Wrote:Liberals are soft on everything--except middle-aged white males. That's the one thing they're tough on.

Why just middle-aged? At what age do they start being tough, at what age do they quit? What is the rationale for being first soft, then tough, then soft again? How do they manage the trick of being tough on a middle-aged white male and soft on his wife at the same time? Need some details here.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:To suggest that the beliefs of a super fringe group (9/11 consipracy theorists) represent all liberals, is laughable.

First, it is in clear English, "many leftists", not "all liberals" as you claim, not even "a majority", just "many leftists".

Second, how many conspiracy theorists are Bush supporters? I think the number is somewhere between zero, and , uh, zero. The conspiracy theories center around Administation involvement. So while the statement that all liberals are conspiracy theorists (a statement NOT in the above article) is manifestly untrue, maybe the statement that all conspiracy theorists are liberals could be true. All you need to prove the last statement false is to find someone who not only believes that the Admisistration engineered 9/11, but thinks it was the right thing to do.

OptimisticOwl Wrote:Second, how many conspiracy theorists are Bush supporters? I think the number is somewhere between zero, and , uh, zero.

All those people who think there is a War on Christianity in this country. They do exist.

Endzone2 Wrote:Liberals are soft on everything--except middle-aged white males. That's the one thing they're tough on.

As a white guy in my 30's I can tell you Liberals hate me. Eventhough I am in the 50% of America that pays 97% of all taxes collected, they keep wanting me to pay more.

ShoreBuc Wrote:As a white guy in my 30's I can tell you Liberals hate me. Eventhough I am in the 50% of America that pays 97% of all taxes collected, they keep wanting me to pay more.

Are you saying white males pay 97% of all taxes collected? That number seems high to me....

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:All those people who think there is a War on Christianity in this country. They do exist.

I think there is a war on Christianity in this country and I am NOT a Bush supporter.

But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

Do you have a link to this story?

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:Second, how many conspiracy theorists are Bush supporters? I think the number is somewhere between zero, and , uh, zero.

All those people who think there is a War on Christianity in this country. They do exist.

Mea culpa. Conspiracy theorist is way too broad a term. It can include Kennedy assasination theorists, the Illuminati, the moon non-landing, whatever.

As I used it earlier and as I will continue using it in this thread, it refers to those people who think that 9/11 was either a theatrical production of something that never happened or those who think that it was orchestrated and perpatrated by elements within our government for their purposes, including the purpose of providing a reason for war and/or taking over the government/world. I use it in this tread to refer only to 9/11 conspiracy theorists. We can discuss the (purported) War on Christianity in another thread. OK?

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

OptimisticOwl Wrote:I use it in this tread to refer only to 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Oh, ok. I guess I thought you meant any conspiracy theorists. My mistake.

I've seen people calling the 9/11 CTs "Loosers."

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

BTW, I am not a conspiracy theorist, I would never think that any part of our government had a hand in what happened on 9/11

uhmump95 Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

Getting off topic, but I can come up with lots of things that sound far fetched, but really aren't.

Examples:
A dingy pulls up along side an intimidating battle cruiser and nearly sends it to the bottom. USS Cole.

A tradesman influences over a billion people over thousands of years to give credit to him whenever something good happens. Jesus.

With only 83 wins in the regular season the St. Louis Cardinals go to the World Series.

Being farfetched does not mean it is false. Here's a nifty list of coincidences.

uhmump95 Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

I don't honestly know. Is it really that hard to steer a plane once it's in the air? Especially if safety isn't exactly your primary concern...

uhmump95 Wrote:

ShoreBuc Wrote:As a white guy in my 30's I can tell you Liberals hate me. Eventhough I am in the 50% of America that pays 97% of all taxes collected, they keep wanting me to pay more.

Are you saying white males pay 97% of all taxes collected? That number seems high to me....

Not the white part but 50% of taxpayers in the U.S. pay 97% of all personal taxes collected. To break down even further my household is in the top 5% of the U.S. and we paid 54.36% of all personal taxes collected in 2005.
As far as I know liberals go after blacks, asians, hispanics and whoever else has had the audacity to acheive success with the same reckless abandon.

DrTorch Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

I don't honestly know. Is it really that hard to steer a plane once it's in the air? Especially if safety isn't exactly your primary concern...

The 9/11 terrorist who had pilot training were perfectly capable of flying a 757 into a building. It is not that tough to fly a plane once it is in the air. Really only have to pay attention to altitude and speed. If you watch the flight 93 movie you see they had a lot of shuttering during the flight which came from flying to low at times and letting the speed get too low.

I have only flown in a F-4 simulator with my dad and flown a twin engine a couple times with my brother and I can guarantee you that if someone handed over the controls of a 757 that I could fly it into a building if that was my only objective.
I would have a hell of a time landing it but if you showed me how to work the flaps I could probably take it off.

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

Getting off topic, but I can come up with lots of things that sound far fetched, but really aren't.

Examples:
A dingy pulls up along side an intimidating battle cruiser and nearly sends it to the bottom. USS Cole.


Being farfetched does not mean it is false. Here's a nifty list of coincidences.

As far as the Cole goes here is an explanation...Good old rules of engagement.

The destroyer's rules of engagement, as approved by the Pentagon, kept its guards from firing upon the small boat loaded with explosives as it neared them without first obtaining permission from the Cole's captain or another officer. Petty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole's fantail away from a second small boat approaching. "With blood still on my face," he said, he was told: "That's the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we're shot at." He added, "In the military, it's like we're trained to hesitate now. If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed." Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft "we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors."

ShoreBuc Wrote:The 9/11 terrorist who had pilot training were perfectly capable of flying a 757 into a building. It is not that tough to fly a plane once it is in the air. Really only have to pay attention to altitude and speed. If you watch the flight 93 movie you see they had a lot of shuttering during the flight which came from flying to low at times and letting the speed get too low.

I have only flown in a F-4 simulator with my dad and flown a twin engine a couple times with my brother and I can guarantee you that if someone handed over the controls of a 757 that I could fly it into a building if that was my only objective.
I would have a hell of a time landing it but if you showed me how to work the flaps I could probably take it off.

Thanks for answering my question ShoreBuc. I know nothing about flying to the info is appreciated.

I have a question about what you typed. How far out could I hand controls to you and you fly into a building? For example, could you take control of a 757 is San Antonio and fly into a designated building in Houston? Just curious about this....

uhmump95 Wrote:I have a question about what you typed. How far out could I hand controls to you and you fly into a building? For example, could you take control of a 757 is San Antonio and fly into a designated building in Houston? Just curious about this....

With proper training, sure. I taught myself how to navigate using MS Flight Sim when I was in my teens. Now with GPS in many planes, it is even easier. All you'd have to do is get close to NYC, and you'd see your target from there on out.

DrTorch Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But then again, I also have trouble believing that someone can learn to fly on crop dusters and single engine planes and then pilot a jet and hit a building almost perfectly. But then again I am

You have a better explantion?

No. But you can't tell that what was typed above does not seem a bit far fetched.

I don't honestly know. Is it really that hard to steer a plane once it's in the air? Especially if safety isn't exactly your primary concern...

I have "flown" a plane from Dallas to El Paso - I am not a licensed pilot, but my late Dad, whose plane we were in, tried every trick in the world to get me interested. Set the autopilot and maintain altitude. Landing and taking off - that is where the training is really needed. If you're not concerned about getting down again safely, it takes away most of the need for training.

uhmump95 Wrote:

ShoreBuc Wrote:The 9/11 terrorist who had pilot training were perfectly capable of flying a 757 into a building. It is not that tough to fly a plane once it is in the air. Really only have to pay attention to altitude and speed. If you watch the flight 93 movie you see they had a lot of shuttering during the flight which came from flying to low at times and letting the speed get too low.

I have only flown in a F-4 simulator with my dad and flown a twin engine a couple times with my brother and I can guarantee you that if someone handed over the controls of a 757 that I could fly it into a building if that was my only objective.
I would have a hell of a time landing it but if you showed me how to work the flaps I could probably take it off.

Thanks for answering my question ShoreBuc. I know nothing about flying to the info is appreciated.

I have a question about what you typed. How far out could I hand controls to you and you fly into a building? For example, could you take control of a 757 is San Antonio and fly into a designated building in Houston? Just curious about this....

As BR said if these guys had any training on the cockpit of the 757 and they did then they would have a rudimentary understanding of the navigation system. They also picked a crystal clear day which helped them. The plane that hit the Pentagon had circled around D.C. Many believe its primary target was the White House. If you have ever flown into D.C. then you have noticed have difficult it is to spot the White House especially for someone not completely familiar. The secondary target the Pentagon is easier to spot. My wife had some friends at work who had taken their team on a boat trip on the Potomac. They saw the plane as it came towards D.C. and then it circled around into VA where it hit the Pentagon. My Dad was working across the street from the Pentagon in Crystal City and his office watched as the plane hit.

To answer your question yes I could probably find Houston from San Antonio just because my dad used to live in San Antonio and I would know how to use the instruments in the cockpit to at least point me in the right direction. If it there was low visibility or it was night when I would have to use mainly instruments then no I could not find it.