I saw this article on Christian Worldview Network, and it reminded me exactly why I don't let things like Harry Potter in my house.
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Can I borrow your Ouija board?
If it isn't cool and fun don't you think the kids will quickly realize this?
Talk about over controlling, if my parents had done something like that I would have joined an athiest cult just to piss them off. You need to let your kids learn some things for themselves or they will never be able to critically think for themselves...
mlb Wrote:If it isn't cool and fun don't you think the kids will quickly realize this?
Talk about over controlling, if my parents had done something like that I would have joined an athiest cult just to piss them off. You need to let your kids learn some things for themselves or they will never be able to critically think for themselves...
Over Controlling?
Should I let my children play with hot irons? Should I let my children play with loaded guns? Should I let my toddler play by the pool without supervision?
Setting rules and standards are a parent's job, just like disciplining children for bad behaviour. I realize that by the world's standards, everything is OK, but I don't live my life by the world's standards. You may not see Harry Potter as dangerous, but I know that it is even more dangerous than the things I mentioned above. Those things can only cost you your life, but becoming a Wican can cost you for eternity.
Atheist cult mlb? That's a riot.
Graybear, if your kids get taken in by Harry Potter in your house (where I'm sure they get healthy doses of Christianity), don't you think you might be doing something wrong?
Harry Potter's more dangerous than a loaded gun near a child? That's fantastic!
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Little Jimmy may have blown his head off with that shotgun, but at least he didn't read Harry Potter.
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:Atheist cult mlb? That's a riot.
Graybear, if your kids get taken in by Harry Potter in your house (where I'm sure they get healthy doses of Christianity), don't you think you might be doing something wrong?
I see what you are saying, but if I am OK with Harry Potter in my house, how can I later tell them it's wrong? I refuse to allow the foothold. Friendship and acceptance of the world is a slap in the face to God.
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:Harry Potter's more dangerous than a loaded gun near a child? That's fantastic!
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Little Jimmy may have blown his head off with that shotgun, but at least he didn't read Harry Potter.
Make sure you read all of what I posted. Of course, if you believe that you live once, and then you are nothing more than worm food, then you would not understand.
Also, I never said that it was OK to let kids play with loaded guns either. Way to spin your comments.
GrayBeard Wrote:Friendship and acceptance of the world is a slap in the face to God.
A world which he supposely created.
Graybeard,
would your children be allowed to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy or The Chronicles on Narnia?
I have read all of the Harry Potters and basically in way or another the books rip off pieces of those two classics.
Since you seem to be opposed to the idea of "good witches" I would assume that Sleeping Beauty is off limits in your house as well.
I think you need to lighten up personally.
uhmump95 Wrote:Graybeard,
would your children be allowed to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy or The Chronicles on Narnia?
I have read all of the Harry Potters and basically in way or another the books rip off pieces of those two classics.
Since you seem to be opposed to the idea of "good witches" I would assume that Sleeping Beauty is off limits in your house as well.
I think you need to lighten up personally.
To be quite honest with you, I have not made up my mind about those. I have read/watched LOTR, and I know that my kids have watched Chronicles of Narnia. I see the portrayal of Jesus in The Chronicles of Narnia, but I get lost in what is Biblical about LOTR. And as far as Sleeping Beauty, is that even around anymore?
So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
Quote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
b/c teenagers do stupid crap when they are teenagers. Were you very close to Christ as a teenager? I was not and most are not. Kids are dealing with many changes in their bodies and minds at that time. It is also a natural "rebelling" against your parents phase. Just keep trying to raise them in whatever denomination you are a part of, and your kids should be alright. You have every right to what is banned in your house.
GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
That article does a pretty good job of explaining it...
[i]Given the challenges of contemporary life, many teens are looking for direction. Young people are sincerely trying to make sense out of life and find a way to make it work. And many are looking for answers in the spiritual world. Many teens find belonging, purpose, and significance in Wicca.
The promise of personal power over others and the ability to control your own destiny seems irresistible to many teens. Wicca is revered for its concern for the environment and is seen by many as a female-friendly religion in contrast to a male-dominated Christianity. Since Christianity is often viewed as rigid and intolerant, many are drawn to the
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Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
uhmump95 Wrote:Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
GrayBeard Wrote:uhmump95 Wrote:Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
How do you know you don't agree with it, if you haven't read it? I am with you on a lot of things, but that was a pretty dumb comment.
I also fear that one day you are going to push your kids away from God. You come on pretty strong. You can't force anyone, especially your kids, to believe in Jesus and get saved. They have to make that decision for themselves, as I am sure you are aware. Equiping them with the right tools is great, but pushing them hard may result in them going another way.
I don't know how old your kids are, but maybe it would be better for you to read the Potter books to them and explain where you feel Rowlings got it wrong, based on your Biblical beliefs. If they don't hear it from you, they will hear it from their friends or their friend's parents and then not only will they have a view on the subject that is different than yours, but they will probably think you are a prude, out of touch with them and that they can't come to you to ask questions.
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GrayBeard Wrote:Those things can only cost you your life, but becoming a Wican can cost you for eternity.
Seriously, get a grip.
blah Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:uhmump95 Wrote:Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
How do you know you don't agree with it, if you haven't read it? I am with you on a lot of things, but that was a pretty dumb comment.
I also fear that one day you are going to push your kids away from God. You come on pretty strong. You can't force anyone, especially your kids, to believe in Jesus and get saved. They have to make that decision for themselves, as I am sure you are aware. Equiping them with the right tools is great, but pushing them hard may result in them going another way.
I don't know how old your kids are, but maybe it would be better for you to read the Potter books to them and explain where you feel Rowlings got it wrong, based on your Biblical beliefs. If they don't hear it from you, they will hear it from their friends or their friend's parents and then not only will they have a view on the subject that is different than yours, but they will probably think you are a prude, out of touch with them and that they can't come to you to ask questions.
I agree with most of what you are saying. I also know that you can't force Jesus on anybody. Faith is not somthing that can be forced.
What I don't agree with is the whole concept of making witchcraft acceptable, which is what I view the Harry Potter books as doing. Potter is not that only wiccan related thing I have a problem with so don't think I am a 1 trick pony. We don't just yell, YOU CAN'T READ HARRY POTTER, at our kids, instead we discuss with them why we believe that witchcraft (or subsititute some other non-God honoring item) is evil and why we don't allow it in our house. We point to scripture verses that talk about it.
FTR, my oldest is in Middle School, so he is really experiencing a tough time right now. He is in a huge public school, so his faith is really being challenged on a daily basis.
One thing to remember is that my children will only live with me for a short time. My plan as a father and Christian is to train them the right way, so that when they are out on their own, they make the right decisions. Does that mean that I have to set some rules for now? Of Course.
GrayBeard Wrote:Witchcraft is a religion (which means real life) that should not be taken lightly. It is not simple fantasy but something much more sinister.
Many people are now claiming Jedi is their religion... you better not let Starwars in your house.
GrayBeard Wrote:How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
That is like someone who says that God doesn't exist or who disagrees with the Bible should not read it. Give me a break... in order to fully understand something you should do your OWN research, don't rely on others. For someone who complains about the media and their spin on things, you sure seem to take a right wing religious organization at their word in an obviously spun artice...
mlb Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:Witchcraft is a religion (which means real life) that should not be taken lightly. It is not simple fantasy but something much more sinister.
Many people are now claiming Jedi is their religion... you better not let Starwars in your house.
No they are not.
mlb Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
That is like someone who says that God doesn't exist or who disagrees with the Bible should not read it. Give me a break... in order to fully understand something you should do your OWN research, don't rely on others. For someone who complains about the media and their spin on things, you sure seem to take a right wing religious organization at their word in an obviously spun artice...
Actually, I just posted the article to show that more kids were turning to Wicca. The HP comments were mine. HP is just one part of what I consider a problem.
And 350 years ago the puritans were calling out everyone as witches, then hanging and burning them at the stake, whether they were or not. Kids might do some research into the religion, see what it is all about, that doesn't mean they are becoming witches, however. I've visited friends at their churches, that does not mean I am going to convert over to their church.
I think Blah stated it best, you seem to be totally censoring your kids from the real world. The day they get out of your "control" will be the day that they go crazy.
The biggest alcoholics I know were the people who's parents had no alcohol in the house and never taught them how to drink responsibly. You lead them in the right direction, you don't tell them not to ever figure it out for themselves, however.
If you totally control what goes through your kids' head then they never learn to think for themselves. When they get out in the real world, away from you, they could very easily be influenced by someone who doesn't have their best interest in mind.
The best gift my parents ever gave me was the ability to think for myself. I won't just take someone for their word or viewpoint, I will research it myself. My parents are also most proud of the fact that I construct my own views on things instead of just repeating what was fed to me.
mlb Wrote:And 350 years ago the puritans were calling out everyone as witches, then hanging and burning them at the stake, whether they were or not. Kids might do some research into the religion, see what it is all about, that doesn't mean they are becoming witches, however. I've visited friends at their churches, that does not mean I am going to convert over to their church.
I think Blah stated it best, you seem to be totally censoring your kids from the real world. The day they get out of your "control" will be the day that they go crazy.
The biggest alcoholics I know were the people who's parents had no alcohol in the house and never taught them how to drink responsibly. You lead them in the right direction, you don't tell them not to ever figure it out for themselves, however.
If you totally control what goes through your kids' head then they never learn to think for themselves. When they get out in the real world, away from you, they could very easily be influenced by someone who doesn't have their best interest in mind.
The best gift my parents ever gave me was the ability to think for myself. I won't just take someone for their word or viewpoint, I will research it myself. My parents are also most proud of the fact that I construct my own views on things instead of just repeating what was fed to me.
When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, and you want to know what I did the day I turned 18? Went and bought my first Playboy magazine.
I'm not saying they should have let me have it either, but when you limit them on everything they can do, say, or think, then you are setting yourself up to have a kid who does everything opposite of you, at least for a number of years when they get out from under your stranglehold.
Okay so you read or viewed LOTR and Narnia and those have sorcery in them. Why don't you feel that those books also promote wicca?
Plus you have NOT read Harry Potter (I would assume that you haven't watched one of the movies either) and you say that does promote wiccas. I have read the books and I do not think the promote wicca. What proof do you have that these books promote wicca?
GrayBeard Wrote:mlb Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:Witchcraft is a religion (which means real life) that should not be taken lightly. It is not simple fantasy but something much more sinister.
Many people are now claiming Jedi is their religion... you better not let Starwars in your house.
No they are not.
Watch as your kids spend more and more time with and at their friend's houses and less and less time with you. If they can't have fun at home, they will find out how to at other places. Veggie Tales ain't going to work when they are in middle school. You need to me a little more realistic.
mlb Wrote:And 350 years ago the puritans were calling out everyone as witches, then hanging and burning them at the stake, whether they were or not.
No they weren't. Do some of that research you brag about!
Quote:I think Blah stated it best, you seem to be totally censoring your kids from the real world. The day they get out of your "control" will be the day that they go crazy.
While it's possible GB is "totally censoring his kids from the real world" I see no clear evidence of that. There are plenty of things I keep my children from seeing (well my wife is more strict than I).
But what YOU all are forgetting is this: children think like children. Much of what they are attracted to now is childsplay. But not all of it is safe. They MAY rebel at age 18, or they may say, "What a bunch of silly games. Glad Dad kept me from wasting my time w/ that."
For example, we rarely went to the movies when I was growing up. It wasn't forbidden, we just didn't go. There were lots of movies that I thought would be SO COOL to see, but I didn't. Now? I don't really care. Alot of those movies were DUMB, and it wasn't a loss to miss them.
Plus, I still don't see many movies (went about 3 years until I saw Cars last month) and my life really isn't lacking.
Quote:The biggest alcoholics I know were the people who's parents had no alcohol in the house and never taught them how to drink responsibly. You lead them in the right direction, you don't tell them not to ever figure it out for themselves, however.
At best that's a very age-dependent statement, at worst it's total bunk. My 3 year old likes to stare at light bulbs (well he did a few months ago) I yell at him for it. I FORBID him to do it. I'm not going to let him damage his eyes so he can "figure it out for himself."
Lots of things are just like this. Some are debateable, and that's where freedom comes in (both government and Christian). But, you're being just as rigid by condemning GB, as you claim he's being. Frankly, while we may disagree on some specifics, GB is RIGHT, sometimes you have to set firm limits.
Quote:If you totally control what goes through your kids' head then they never learn to think for themselves. When they get out in the real world, away from you, they could very easily be influenced by someone who doesn't have their best interest in mind.
Setting firm limits, and teaching them to think for themselves are NOT mutually exclusive.
GrayBeard Wrote:uhmump95 Wrote:I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
Nice! That is easily one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
Quote:Spending a year talking with Wiccans all over America, Sanders discovered that many feel that Christianity, as practiced in the twenty-first century, failed them. For example, many Wiccans care deeply about the environment and believe that the Church has largely ignored the command to care for God's creation.
Never thought of that.
mlb Wrote:The biggest alcoholics I know were the people who's parents had no alcohol in the house and never taught them how to drink responsibly. You lead them in the right direction, you don't tell them not to ever figure it out for themselves, however.
I have seen the same thing, which is why I was telling Graybeard that. A guy I went to high school with was raised in a super conservative Christian house. He wasn't allowed to watch anything or have music CDs, etc. He started by hiding stuff from his parents. CDs up in the ceiling, etc. By the time he got to college he was a borderline alcoholic, and got busted with marijuana at a concert. He moved far away from his parents and sees them once every other year. The worst part about the whole thing was that after he got arrested, the question his parents asked him was "What are the people at church going to think?" It is crap like that, that gives Christians as a whole a bad name. The funny thing is that this kid was really a good guy, who totally went the way he did based solely on his parents.
Quote:The worst part about the whole thing was that after he got arrested, the question his parents asked him was "What are the people at church going to think?"
Or the unwed daughter gets pregnant, so they make her have an abortion so the people at church won't know. I saw that happen a few times as a teen. That is what made me get away from the church until about 2 or so years ago. I stayed away for a good 8 years/
Not going to get into the main debate, but the questin about the Salem witch trials bring a question for Greybeard to mind.
Somewhere in the Bible - the true complete and perfect word of God - it says thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
If a Wiccan were to move next door to you, would you kill them to protect your children?
If not, what would you do, and why would you ignore the teachings of the Bible?
Just curious.
GrayBeard Wrote:When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, but let me ask you a follow-up question.
How would you handle it if/when your middle school age son comes home and said that he did see one of those magazines at his friend's house that him and his friend found in his friend's dad's room?
GrayBeard Wrote:uhmump95 Wrote:Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
How does
THAT statement make any sense at all???? WTF is this world coming to...
Heres a hypothetical example you would understand, using your train of logic: "I have never read the Bible, but I've heard about this Jesus stuff and it all sounds pretty kooky and I don't agree with what I've heard, so why should I read it if I already know I'm going to disagree with it?"
blah Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, but let me ask you a follow-up question.
How would you handle it if/when your middle school age son comes home and said that he did see one of those magazines at his friend's house that him and his friend found in his friend's dad's room?
Ah, here's the rub. My son went to a friends house to spend the night. It just so happens that kid listened to Harry Potter on tape to go to sleep, so my kid (he felt by force) listened to it as well.
When he came home he told us about it, and it lead to a good learning opportunity. We told him that it was OK, that we can't control what happens when he is outside of the home. We thanked him for being honest with us, and we told him that he will see and hear things sometimes that he does not believe in/agree with and that is just fine. In the end all of the choices will be his, and we can't make them for him.
By the way, we were still friends with those people to the day we left that town.
niuhuskie84 Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:uhmump95 Wrote:Having read the Harry Potter books, I have to say that Rowlings does not treat witchcraft as a religion at all. I really think you should read the first story before you start the grand conspiracy theory.
How does that make sense at all? I should read a book that I know up front I don't agree with. Come on, Uhmump, that makes no sense what so ever.
How does THAT statement make any sense at all???? WTF is this world coming to...
Heres a hypothetical example you would understand, using your train of logic: "I have never read the Bible, but I've heard about this Jesus stuff and it all sounds pretty kooky and I don't agree with what I've heard, so why should I read it if I already know I'm going to disagree with it?"
If you are curious about the Bible, I say you should read it. Other than that, it isn't going to do an un-believer much good.
Now that I have been attacked over and over about this, let me ask a question.
Where do you draw the line with what you allow your children in the house?
Harry Potter..OK
Porno Mags...No (except for maybe Blah) ;-)
Alchohol? (By the way, I drink a beer on occassion)
Drugs?
BB Guns?
My point is, what measuring stick will you use to set the rules in your house?
Here is mine...
Quote:Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
Fair enough question.
First i support your right to raise your family as you see fit. I may not agree with what you choose to see fit, but it seems to fall far short of child abuse, so have at it.
I also raised my children as I saw fit, and it is none of your damn business what that was, as it also fell far short of child abuse.
Now will you answer my question about suffering a witch to live?
OptimisticOwl Wrote:Fair enough question.
First i support your right to raise your family as you see fit. I may not agree with what you choose to see fit, but it seems to fall far short of child abuse, so have at it.
I also raised my children as I saw fit, and it is none of your damn business what that was, as it also fell far short of child abuse.
Now will you answer my question about suffering a witch to live?
Sorry, I missed your question originally. I must say that I have no plans on killing a witch (nor am I familiar with that verse).
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I just searched an on-line Bible for "witch" and it only came up with one verse which was nothing close to what you stated.
GrayBeard Wrote:blah Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, but let me ask you a follow-up question.
How would you handle it if/when your middle school age son comes home and said that he did see one of those magazines at his friend's house that him and his friend found in his friend's dad's room?
Ah, here's the rub. My son went to a friends house to spend the night. It just so happens that kid listened to Harry Potter on tape to go to sleep, so my kid (he felt by force) listened to it as well.
When he came home he told us about it, and it lead to a good learning opportunity. We told him that it was OK, that we can't control what happens when he is outside of the home. We thanked him for being honest with us, and we told him that he will see and hear things sometimes that he does not believe in/agree with and that is just fine. In the end all of the choices will be his, and we can't make them for him.
By the way, we were still friends with those people to the day we left that town.
If you actually were picking friends based on the kinds of books they read, I'd imagine the world would be a pretty lonely place.
niuhuskie84 Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:blah Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, but let me ask you a follow-up question.
How would you handle it if/when your middle school age son comes home and said that he did see one of those magazines at his friend's house that him and his friend found in his friend's dad's room?
Ah, here's the rub. My son went to a friends house to spend the night. It just so happens that kid listened to Harry Potter on tape to go to sleep, so my kid (he felt by force) listened to it as well.
When he came home he told us about it, and it lead to a good learning opportunity. We told him that it was OK, that we can't control what happens when he is outside of the home. We thanked him for being honest with us, and we told him that he will see and hear things sometimes that he does not believe in/agree with and that is just fine. In the end all of the choices will be his, and we can't make them for him.
By the way, we were still friends with those people to the day we left that town.
If you actually were picking friends based on the kinds of books they read, I'd imagine the world would be a pretty lonely place.
That wasn't my point at all. I was responding to a question of how would I react if...., and I was just letting Blah know that we did not attack/criticize/fault the people for what happened. What they allow in their house is their decision, not mine.
GrayBeard Wrote:blah Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:When you were kid, did your parents let you have Porno Mags?
No, but let me ask you a follow-up question.
How would you handle it if/when your middle school age son comes home and said that he did see one of those magazines at his friend's house that him and his friend found in his friend's dad's room?
Ah, here's the rub. My son went to a friends house to spend the night. It just so happens that kid listened to Harry Potter on tape to go to sleep, so my kid (he felt by force) listened to it as well.
When he came home he told us about it, and it lead to a good learning opportunity. We told him that it was OK, that we can't control what happens when he is outside of the home. We thanked him for being honest with us, and we told him that he will see and hear things sometimes that he does not believe in/agree with and that is just fine. In the end all of the choices will be his, and we can't make them for him.
By the way, we were still friends with those people to the day we left that town.
That seems more reasonable. My questions was geared to see if you would let your kid hang out with his friend and their family anymore. I'm glad to see you did and the discussion afterwards sounds like a good way to approach it.
On a side note and to
just a little bit more....
Did you ask your son why he didn't stand up for what he believed? If he truly believes that Harry Potter is evil and wrong, why not say something to his friend?
blah Wrote:On a side note and to just a little bit more....
Did you ask your son why he didn't stand up for what he believed? If he truly believes that Harry Potter is evil and wrong, why not say something to his friend?
Like myself, my oldest son (the one in question) is a very passive person, not generally wanting to
so to speak. I am only aggressive on internet message boards. :shhh:
I will say that I think he was slightly bewildered by the event, since his friend was part of a "Christian Family". Most of his other "Christian Friends" were not allowed to read/listen/watch HP either.
GrayBeard Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:Fair enough question.
First i support your right to raise your family as you see fit. I may not agree with what you choose to see fit, but it seems to fall far short of child abuse, so have at it.
I also raised my children as I saw fit, and it is none of your damn business what that was, as it also fell far short of child abuse.
Now will you answer my question about suffering a witch to live?
Sorry, I missed your question originally. I must say that I have no plans on killing a witch (nor am I familiar with that verse).
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I just searched an on-line Bible for "witch" and it only came up with one verse which was nothing close to what you stated.
I'll see if I can find it later. I think it must be in Leviticus, along with all the other commands that would send a modern Christian to jail, such as killing your neighbor.
Just out of curiosity, the one reference you did find, what did it say?
OptimisticOwl Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:Fair enough question.
First i support your right to raise your family as you see fit. I may not agree with what you choose to see fit, but it seems to fall far short of child abuse, so have at it.
I also raised my children as I saw fit, and it is none of your damn business what that was, as it also fell far short of child abuse.
Now will you answer my question about suffering a witch to live?
Sorry, I missed your question originally. I must say that I have no plans on killing a witch (nor am I familiar with that verse).
*edit*
I just searched an on-line Bible for "witch" and it only came up with one verse which was nothing close to what you stated.
I'll see if I can find it later. I think it must be in Leviticus, along with all the other commands that would send a modern Christian to jail, such as killing your neighbor.
Just out of curiosity, the one reference you did find, what did it say?
1 Samuel 28:1 [ Saul and the Witch of Endor ] In those days the Philistines gathered their forces to fight against Israel. Achish said to David, "You must understand that you and your men will accompany me in the army."