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I'm probabbly as big a home theater gear nut as GTS is a computer nut so imagine by disdain when I went into Best Buy tonight (vs Circuit City and Sears).....

Gaff #1 for Best Buy

Best Buy:
Toshiba HD DVD Player $500 on a $2K WHITE WESTING HOUSE 42" LCD TV.

vs.

Sears:
Same Toshiba HD DVD Player on a $2.3K 42" Toshiba HD Plaz.

Rule broken by Best Buy: Poor Product Placement... Customers who buy $500 dvd players DON'T BUY Off brand tvs...wether tv the tv is 1080p compatible or not its a friggin White Westing House tv...same brand of tv you can get at K MART!!!. Best Buy even carries the Toshibas nice enough to display with the product. If I was a Toshiba rep I would yank the display right then and there.

*Circuit City: Circuit City salesperson said that Circuit wouldn't be carrying HD DVD players...strictly blu-ray. My guess is kick backs or being wary of going through another round of divesting a product line like DIVX ( the Circuit City backed DIVX DVD format vs DVD format when both were released side by side)**

Gaff #2 for Best Buy

Best Buy:
Samsung $1K Blu Ray player on said White Westing House tv

vs

Circuit City:
Same dvd player on 50" Samsung 1080p compaitable DLP w/ Onkyo Receiver and the NICE Polk Audio Speakers and 2 Velodyne 12" subs w/ all NICE Monster Cable Interconnects.

Rule broken was product placement again and for the same reasons.

*Sears as of yet has not gotten in any Blu Ray players and I haven't heard from our BC manager if/when we will get some.


I know Best Buy salespeople aren't on commission (neither are Curcuit's) but to set up such an inferior display for such a technologically advanced product that you can't even show off why someone would fork out $500-1K for a high end dvd player is beyond me. NOTE: the reverse is also true if you own a $2-3K tv and buy a $30 Apex, Oritron, Ilo, ESA, Cyberhome, Memorex, ect... dvd player you have just pissed away money on your tv b/c those cheap players don't deliver on your nice display.


In the Toshiba HDDVDs case I actually called them out to two of their managers, one of whom I know and the other I assume was either the store manager of the tv department manager, and the best I could get was it was company directive or "well the tv is 1080p compatible".

:banned: lmfao :banned: lmfao

THINK ABOUT IT the next time you visit the local Best Buy and want help in the tv department. IF they make gaffs like that imagine how crap your system will be if one of their non-commission salespeople try to set you up.

** FTR I do not think the HDDVD format is a bust and actually for the money and picture quality Blu Ray doesn't look $300-500 better IMO. I will say personally I'd wait till LG releases their player that will do Blu Ray and HDDVD.

I hate to burst your bubble(butt hahaha), but floor people and store managers usually have absolutely no authority to change the floor displays. My guess is, Best Buy makes a ton of money on the "off-brand" Westinghouse TVs (I have one, I like it) and decided to promote their decent quality for decent prices.

This should be on Toshiba. Toshiba should have sent a display kit to best buy and packaged it with a Toshiba TV.

Bartindekalb Wrote:I hate to burst your bubble(butt hahaha), but floor people and store managers usually have absolutely no authority to change the floor displays. My guess is, Best Buy makes a ton of money on the "off-brand" Westinghouse TVs (I have one, I like it) and decided to promote their decent quality for decent prices.

Dude, if Best Buy and Toshiba agreed on that then why would the same dvd player be shown on a superior tv at Sears or at a Tweeter for that matter (both chains have a low end tv they could have used I am sure)? IF I was joe customer I would wonder how you could be hyping me a expensive player off a cheap tv to demo it to me.

BTW how you know about my butt? Those photos haven't leaked yet ;-)

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:

Bartindekalb Wrote:I hate to burst your bubble(butt hahaha), but floor people and store managers usually have absolutely no authority to change the floor displays. My guess is, Best Buy makes a ton of money on the "off-brand" Westinghouse TVs (I have one, I like it) and decided to promote their decent quality for decent prices.

Dude, if Best Buy and Toshiba agreed on that then why would the same dvd player be shown on a superior tv at Sears or at a Tweeter for that matter (both chains have a low end tv they could have used I am sure)? IF I was joe customer I would wonder how you could be hyping me a expensive player off a cheap tv to demo it to me.

Good question - I haven't checked recently, but I think that Best Buy is doing the best business out of all electronic store chains. Maybe they have more weight and can do whatever they want with the demos?

Quote:BTW how you know about my butt? Those photos haven't leaked yet ;-)

Dooooooby, doobydoo.

Bartindekalb Wrote:I hate to burst your bubble(butt hahaha), but floor people and store managers usually have absolutely no authority to change the floor displays. My guess is, Best Buy makes a ton of money on the "off-brand" Westinghouse TVs (I have one, I like it) and decided to promote their decent quality for decent prices.

BTW on the white wsting house end of the tv spectrum.... and you might like it... but any off brand LCD tv has several issues that should prevent anyone from buying one (and to varying degrees) 1) refresh rate...they usually use a crap video processign chip wich makes anything in motion look blurry compared to a brand name tv, 2) contrast... they tned to have the best looking dark gray on the market but not anything close to a decent black, and 3) off axis viewing...any viewing angle that is even slightly off center these tvs get very dark( or Apex's case blue!!!) and are almost un-watchable--centered viewing is usually ok but it still suffers from issues 1 and 2.

I refuse to ever buy anything from Best Buy. The prices suck. The employees suck. I know more about computers than all Geek Squad employees on the planet combined. The product variety REALLY sucks.

F*** "Best" Buy.

If I need something like, say, a super cheap eMachines, I'll go to Circuit City... because they undercut Best Buy on *everything*, and generally have better offerings and better staff.

Bartindekalb Wrote:

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:

Bartindekalb Wrote:I hate to burst your bubble(butt hahaha), but floor people and store managers usually have absolutely no authority to change the floor displays. My guess is, Best Buy makes a ton of money on the "off-brand" Westinghouse TVs (I have one, I like it) and decided to promote their decent quality for decent prices.

Dude, if Best Buy and Toshiba agreed on that then why would the same dvd player be shown on a superior tv at Sears or at a Tweeter for that matter (both chains have a low end tv they could have used I am sure)? IF I was joe customer I would wonder how you could be hyping me a expensive player off a cheap tv to demo it to me.

Good question - I haven't checked recently, but I think that Best Buy is doing the best business out of all electronic store chains. Maybe they have more weight and can do whatever they want with the demos?

Quote:BTW how you know about my butt? Those photos haven't leaked yet ;-)

Dooooooby, doobydoo.

Bestbuy is doing good but the are making their money on the computer services end and not necessarily margins on products. Noone is making money on product margins....the money is in accessories and services. Anywho I would deem it a marketing snafu on Best Buy's part and possibly a detriment to selling the players.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I refuse to ever buy anything from Best Buy. The prices suck. The employees suck. I know more about computers than all Geek Squad employees on the planet combined. The product variety REALLY sucks.

F*** "Best" Buy.

If I need something like, say, a super cheap eMachines, I'll go to Circuit City... because they undercut Best Buy on *everything*, and generally have better offerings and better staff.

you know..in dealing with some of their computer techs and salespeople GTS I believe you whole-heartedly. And most customers can sense the some of the BS they peddle even if they don't know a whole lot about computers.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I refuse to ever buy anything from Best Buy. The prices suck. The employees suck. I know more about computers than all Geek Squad employees on the planet combined. The product variety REALLY sucks.

F*** "Best" Buy.

If I need something like, say, a super cheap eMachines, I'll go to Circuit City... because they undercut Best Buy on *everything*, and generally have better offerings and better staff.

You have an eboner for emachines. Your opinion doesn't count.

Bartindekalb Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I refuse to ever buy anything from Best Buy. The prices suck. The employees suck. I know more about computers than all Geek Squad employees on the planet combined. The product variety REALLY sucks.

F*** "Best" Buy.

If I need something like, say, a super cheap eMachines, I'll go to Circuit City... because they undercut Best Buy on *everything*, and generally have better offerings and better staff.

You have an eboner for emachines. Your opinion doesn't count.

lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.d...5757436000

Looks like Sears is awaiting the Sony blu ray player. I think Sony is holding out till the PS3 releases before they put htose boys on the market. I believe the Pioneer (and Pioneer Elite) models release in October as well.

best buy sucks, there's never anyone there to help you.

flyingswoosh Wrote:best buy sucks, there's never anyone there to help you.

I can't find the help that knows anything about anything ...esepcially in the tv/audio/video areas.... it amazes me that folks guy tvs there.

lol hd dvd.. gg waste of money. should spend it on a nice Projector and processor :D ill get images up once our HomeTheater is done.
12' screen mmmmm 4(or 3 depending on which rear seats we use) rows fully reclining chairs. ticket box, popcorn machine. ftw.
my room has 5.1 klipsch setup. and will probably get a 42" plasma to hang on wall.


but yes, best buy sucks. geeksquad sucks.

faet Wrote:lol hd dvd.. gg waste of money. should spend it on a nice Projector and processor :D ill get images up once our HomeTheater is done.
12' screen mmmmm 4(or 3 depending on which rear seats we use) rows fully reclining chairs. ticket box, popcorn machine. ftw.
my room has 5.1 klipsch setup. and will probably get a 42" plasma to hang on wall.


but yes, best buy sucks. geeksquad sucks.

A projector is only as good as its source!

Klipsch eh... the line you can get at Best Buy or their nice line you'd most likley get at a specialty shop? I think the KSW series is the lower end and the RSW series is the bigher end..but the may have changed model series since I was selling them.

specialty store, we got one in town, Frawney's Speakers (sells only klipsch). though i think you can get them at bbuy...
synergy III series.
synergy sub-10.
low low end klipsch, but hey im a college student not *that* rich =p probably upgrade once i get a better job.


yea but a runco projector + processor helps the source out alot specialy on a nice screen as well.
i forget the model, its one of the Red/Green/Blue lense ones though.

edit:
http://www.audioholics.com/news/editoria...failed.php

10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed
[list]
1- Nobody likes false starts
2- Format Wars Don?t Sell Players
3- HD DVD and Blu-ray are NOT Quantum Leaps in Technology
4- Studios are Conservative, Greedy and Unmotivated
5- Playstation3 Cannot Save the World
6- Those Who Ignore History?
7- People Want Technology that?s 15 Minutes Ahead of Its Time
8- Enthusiasts Are Getting Tired (and Smarter)
9- A Skeptical News Media Doesn?t Help
10- Broadband and IPTV to Compete?[/list:u]

Bartindekalb Wrote:You have an eboner for emachines. Your opinion doesn't count.

A Linux friendly full PC for $320 that will run *very* fast in Linux (but be ghastly slow in Vista, hence the low price tag).

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

Bartindekalb Wrote:You have an eboner for emachines. Your opinion doesn't count.

A Linux friendly full PC for $320 that will run *very* fast in Linux (but be ghastly slow in Vista, hence the low price tag).

What? I couldn't see what you typed over your massive e-erection

I'd glad you appreciate the size even from half the country away. Do I still eclipse the sun from over there?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I'd glad you appreciate the size even from half the country away. Do I still eclipse the sun from over there?

Half the country away? I was referencing the pictures you sent me last night.

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And another thread dies.

faet Wrote:specialty store, we got one in town, Frawney's Speakers (sells only klipsch). though i think you can get them at bbuy...
synergy III series.
synergy sub-10.
low low end klipsch, but hey im a college student not *that* rich =p probably upgrade once i get a better job.


yea but a runco projector + processor helps the source out alot specialy on a nice screen as well.
i forget the model, its one of the Red/Green/Blue lense ones though.

edit:
http://www.audioholics.com/news/editoria...failed.php

10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed
[list]
1- Nobody likes false starts
2- Format Wars Don?t Sell Players
3- HD DVD and Blu-ray are NOT Quantum Leaps in Technology
4- Studios are Conservative, Greedy and Unmotivated
5- Playstation3 Cannot Save the World
6- Those Who Ignore History?
7- People Want Technology that?s 15 Minutes Ahead of Its Time
8- Enthusiasts Are Getting Tired (and Smarter)
9- A Skeptical News Media Doesn?t Help
10- Broadband and IPTV to Compete?[/list:u]

If can afford Runco and processor (I hope you got a Faruodja (sp?)) then you can deo better than Synergy Series in Klipsch homes :banned:

I dissagree on points 3 and 7. HD DVD and Blu Ray are "tripple the res" of traditional dvd. Dvd was about double the res of of VHS and about 50% better than laser disc. Poorly mastered dvds look completely inferior to ther new dvd formats on a HDTV..on any other kind of tv dvd and the HD/BR dvds will look the same.

I won't say the two new formats will fail but the rub will be is

1) BluRay $3-500 better than HD DVD?
--I SAY NO, I have seen both and you couldn't get me to beleive that Blu Ray is worth the price increase.

2) Initial Price as compared to Standard (..and up-convert) dvd players on the market.

3) Recordable versions not yet on market/No confirmation of the ability to record HD programming to ether when they release the recordable versions

4)Image Constraint Token/HDCP to lock out 720p/i & 1080p/i if you are not using HDMI ( of wich only newer tvs have 1 and even fewer have 2+).

5)Number of release titles in either format (wich will proabbly be on delay till someone sees a clear winner in the format war)

6) Aniticpation of dual format players.

7) Customers waiting on inevitable price drops on the hardware.