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Who made the worst decision this week?

can i vote for both?

IMHO:
Driving a motorcycle without a helmet endangers the rider alone.
Driving while intoxicated endangers everyone else on the road.

Hard decision:

On the one hand Rotherliberger really only endangers himself...that accident could have happened with or without him wearing a helmet the difference being the extent of his injuries. Yet he's putting his career on the line plus what he does effects his teammates and the rest of the Steeler fans the Coaches and Managers for the Steelers and his family. You also have to look at how just riding w/out a helmet is simply stupid.

On the other hand you have Reddick who was clearly pretty much trashed. By driving drunk you really do endanger anyone else on the road plus yourself. You would think being a Duke graduate (not that really means anything) he'd be smart enough to stop and think before drinking and driving. He also knew he was well above the limit otherwise he wouldn't have made the illegal u-turn so why didn't he call osmeone. What he did could have potentially hurt someone horribly or worse...He's lucky he just got arrested (if htat makes sense) an dthis is more reason for me to dislike DUKE

I agree, but other than not wearing a helmet, I am not sure what Big Ben did wrong. Would we be having this conversation if he was critically injured in a car wreck? He was not speeding or driving wrecklessly. Someone pulled in front of him. Could this not have happened to any of us?

J.J., however, made a concious decision to get drunk and then drive. Doing that illegal u-turn highlights the fact that he in fact knew he made a mistake and should not have been on the road.

I think this poll is a no brainer. J.J. by a landslide, and not just because he is from Dook.

blah Wrote:I agree, but other than not wearing a helmet, I am not sure what Big Ben did wrong. Would we be having this conversation if he was critically injured in a car wreck? He was not speeding or driving wrecklessly. Someone pulled in front of him. Could this not have happened to any of us?

J.J., however, made a concious decision to get drunk and then drive. Doing that illegal u-turn highlights the fact that he in fact knew he made a mistake and should not have been on the road.

I think this poll is a no brainer. J.J. by a landslide, and not just because he is from Dook.

I agree w/what you're saying it's basically what I was trying to say above. Big Ben made the conscious decision not to wear the helmet but his decisions doesn't put other's lives in danger.

WHOOPs

blah Wrote:I agree, but other than not wearing a helmet, I am not sure what Big Ben did wrong. Would we be having this conversation if he was critically injured in a car wreck? He was not speeding or driving wrecklessly. Someone pulled in front of him. Could this not have happened to any of us?

J.J., however, made a concious decision to get drunk and then drive. Doing that illegal u-turn highlights the fact that he in fact knew he made a mistake and should not have been on the road.

I think this poll is a no brainer. J.J. by a landslide, and not just because he is from Dook.

While I agree that Reddick made the greater mistake, I don't think that an illegal u-turn alone means he doesn't belong on the road or that he was blatantly violating the law. I'm sure I've done many illegal things while driving without knowing I was doing it.

Second, its not who did the worse illegal thing, but who made a worse decision. Deciding not to wear a helmet, or riding a bike is not a smart decision when you're making millions a year to keep your body healthy and you know what a bike can do (see Kellen Winslow, Jason Williams, etc.)

T-Monay820 Wrote:

blah Wrote:I agree, but other than not wearing a helmet, I am not sure what Big Ben did wrong. Would we be having this conversation if he was critically injured in a car wreck? He was not speeding or driving wrecklessly. Someone pulled in front of him. Could this not have happened to any of us?

J.J., however, made a concious decision to get drunk and then drive. Doing that illegal u-turn highlights the fact that he in fact knew he made a mistake and should not have been on the road.

I think this poll is a no brainer. J.J. by a landslide, and not just because he is from Dook.

While I agree that Reddick made the greater mistake, I don't think that an illegal u-turn alone means he doesn't belong on the road or that he was blatantly violating the law. I'm sure I've done many illegal things while driving without knowing I was doing it.

Second, its not who did the worse illegal thing, but who made a worse decision. Deciding not to wear a helmet, or riding a bike is not a smart decision when you're making millions a year to keep your body healthy and you know what a bike can do (see Kellen Winslow, Jason Williams, etc.)

This is all being based on who made the worst decision because Big Ben didn't do anything illegal at all. Sure his decision wasn't smart but it wasn't against the law.....

Reddick however, did more than make an illegal u-turn. He was driving while intoxicated. That's the bigger issue at hand here. Just forget the u-turn all together b/c in my mind that doesn't really factor in. Reddick made a concious decision to get behind the wheel of a vehicle while highly intoxicated and drive home. This not only endangers his life but other people on the road as well at the time.

Stupidity while breaking the law outdoes just plain stupidity any day of the week.

If you want to discuss endangering people... you could say that any time someone is on a motorcycle you endanger others because if you are hit you become a projectile... :)

T-Monay820 Wrote:

blah Wrote:I agree, but other than not wearing a helmet, I am not sure what Big Ben did wrong. Would we be having this conversation if he was critically injured in a car wreck? He was not speeding or driving wrecklessly. Someone pulled in front of him. Could this not have happened to any of us?

J.J., however, made a concious decision to get drunk and then drive. Doing that illegal u-turn highlights the fact that he in fact knew he made a mistake and should not have been on the road.

I think this poll is a no brainer. J.J. by a landslide, and not just because he is from Dook.

While I agree that Reddick made the greater mistake, I don't think that an illegal u-turn alone means he doesn't belong on the road or that he was blatantly violating the law. I'm sure I've done many illegal things while driving without knowing I was doing it.

Second, its not who did the worse illegal thing, but who made a worse decision. Deciding not to wear a helmet, or riding a bike is not a smart decision when you're making millions a year to keep your body healthy and you know what a bike can do (see Kellen Winslow, Jason Williams, etc.)

I wasn't saying that the illegal u-turn was a problem. We all do that and I'm sure the cop probably wouldn't have done anything if that was the only infraction. (Kind of like pulling someone over for having something hanging from their rearview mirror as "an obstructive vision" violation.) However, what I was highlighting was that him making that u-turn after seeing the police random check roadblock, illustrates that he knew what he was doing (drinking and driving) was wrong.

Another thing, matching up Kellen Winslow and Jason Williams with what Big Ben did is dumb. Both of those guys were riding stupidly. Jason at a very high rate of speed and Kellen in a parking lot, at a high rate of speed, doing tricks. This in my mind is totally different that just riding your bike, without a helmet, which isn't illegal, and then having someone clip you.

edit: tried to make language clearer....

i wish i could change my vote to JJ.

From the personal perspective, JJ...

From the sports fan's perspective, Ben...

Since this a sports forum, Ben...but personally, JJ

I think I read that J.J. took the u turn to try and avoid the checkpoint. He probably would of had a better chance making it through the checkpoint then trying to sneak out of it.

Terpy Wrote:I think I read that J.J. took the u turn to try and avoid the checkpoint. He probably would of had a better chance making it through the checkpoint then trying to sneak out of it.

I think that was already established....but that makes it 10x worse b/c he knew he was too drunk to be driving yet he made that decision to get behind the wheel anyway.

BLAKESGIRL Wrote:

Terpy Wrote:I think I read that J.J. took the u turn to try and avoid the checkpoint. He probably would of had a better chance making it through the checkpoint then trying to sneak out of it.

I think that was already established....but that makes it 10x worse b/c he knew he was too drunk to be driving yet he made that decision to get behind the wheel anyway.

That's what I was trying to say and I agree that it makes it at least 10X worse.

blah Wrote:

BLAKESGIRL Wrote:

Terpy Wrote:I think I read that J.J. took the u turn to try and avoid the checkpoint. He probably would of had a better chance making it through the checkpoint then trying to sneak out of it.

I think that was already established....but that makes it 10x worse b/c he knew he was too drunk to be driving yet he made that decision to get behind the wheel anyway.

That's what I was trying to say and I agree that it makes it at least 10X worse.

Yea I got that from you just making a point to Terpy more or less.

this is amazing...

A guy chooses not to wear a helmet and endangers himself...

A guy gets behind the wheel of a 1 ton weapon drunk and endangers eveyone on the road including himself...


And the guy that chose not to wear the helmet made the worse decision...

jrhessey Wrote:this is amazing...

A guy chooses not to wear a helmet and endangers himself...

A guy gets behind the wheel of a 1 ton weapon drunk and endangers eveyone on the road including himself...


And the guy that chose not to wear the helmet made the worse decision...

1st of all, he didn't blow that high. Second, that test is not correct in the first place. Some people can have 1 drink and be hammered, but not officially be illegal to drive. Others can have 10 drinks and drive just fine. We do not know for sure if he was any more dangerous than the projectile named Ben Roethlessberger.

mlb Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:this is amazing...

A guy chooses not to wear a helmet and endangers himself...

A guy gets behind the wheel of a 1 ton weapon drunk and endangers eveyone on the road including himself...


And the guy that chose not to wear the helmet made the worse decision...

1st of all, he didn't blow that high. Second, that test is not correct in the first place. Some people can have 1 drink and be hammered, but not officially be illegal to drive. Others can have 10 drinks and drive just fine. We do not know for sure if he was any more dangerous than the projectile named Ben Roethlessberger.

It doesn't matter Reddick knew he was too drunk to drive otherwise why would he have intentionally made an illegal u-turn to avoid a checkpoint. He made a concious decision to get behind a wheel when he knew it was illegal and an endangerment to others.

Personally I never get behind the wheel when I have more than one drink, yet I know I can drink 3 or 4and still drive fine but why risk it.

mlb Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:this is amazing...

A guy chooses not to wear a helmet and endangers himself...

A guy gets behind the wheel of a 1 ton weapon drunk and endangers eveyone on the road including himself...


And the guy that chose not to wear the helmet made the worse decision...

1st of all, he didn't blow that high. Second, that test is not correct in the first place. Some people can have 1 drink and be hammered, but not officially be illegal to drive. Others can have 10 drinks and drive just fine. We do not know for sure if he was any more dangerous than the projectile named Ben Roethlessberger.

two questions...

When Ben collides head on with an oncoming car riding a motorcycle, who gets hurt?

When J.J. collides head on with an oncoming car driving another car, who gets hurt?

Both could conceivably hurt the driver of the other car as well. Ben could very easily go over the handle bars and through the windshield of the car it hits.

I have a friend who got a DUI after driving home from dinner with his girlfriend. Between them, they had a bottle of wine, and when he blew, he figured that he was OK.

Thus, Ben is more stupid.

mlb Wrote:1st of all, he didn't blow that high. Second, that test is not correct in the first place. Some people can have 1 drink and be hammered, but not officially be illegal to drive. Others can have 10 drinks and drive just fine. We do not know for sure if he was any more dangerous than the projectile named Ben Roethlessberger.

I agree. People who are saying JJ was drunk and wasted - that was really not the case. Some people hold their beer better than others. He blew a 0.11, which is not astronomically drunk, especially for someone of his size. I'm not saying that drinking and driving is okay in any circumstance, but how many of us can say that we haven't had two or three beers and didn't drive? Lots of people can drink a few and not feel a thing. If JJ had blew a little higher, I'd be inclined to choose him. Was his decision to do an illegal U-turn smart? Heck no, that gave the cops even more incentive to pull him over. He made a stupid decision, but guess what...we all make dumb decisions. I was disappointed, but I don't think that he was drunk or wasted as some of you are making him out to be.

Big Ben on the other hand...he posed just as much a danger to other drivers as JJ apparently did according to some of you. He could have flown into a windshield, he could've been thrown onto oncoming traffic and made other people swerve and wreck. His bike could've been thrown into oncoming cars. I'm obviously glad than none of this happened, but motorcycles can be dangerous to more than just the rider.

This is an endless debate. There should be a choice for both because both lacked common sense. Common sense is what it all boils down to.

Tasha Wrote:how many of us can say that we haven't had two or three beers and didn't drive?

C, Refs in Canes game 7 on the goal....granted only hte TV cameras could dhow that angle and not the NHL cameras for the refs/instant replay.