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If the White Sox were able to sign Magglio to a long-term contract, do you think we should make this trade? I kind of have mixed feelings on it.

I think it depends...which Jones?

Andruw.

if i'm shuerholz i'd do it in a second. Andruw is an awesome fielder, but ordonez is just a much better player.

flyingswoosh Wrote:if i'm shuerholz i'd do it in a second. Andruw is an awesome fielder, but ordonez is just a much better player.

I agree. I just don't know who'd play center.

No way I would do it. Ordonez is horrible in the outfield and Andruw is one of the best, if not the best, in the game. Ordonez is also 3 years older. Ordonez does hit for a higher average and he has slightly better power numbers, but a lot of that may come from him batting in a better lineup (he has been hitting in front of the big hurt his whole career). Now if the deal was for Chipper that would be another story.

I agree with swoosh. Do it!!

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You can't trade either jones. too much fan loyalty. Maggs is great, but the braves, in a big park, need andruw in center, and chipper is to talented, too important, and too GOOD to risk trading away and blowing up in Chi Town.

cwise memphis Wrote:You can't trade either jones. too much fan loyalty. Maggs is great, but the braves, in a big park, need andruw in center, and chipper is to talented, too important, and too GOOD to risk trading away and blowing up in Chi Town.

when you say blowing up in Chi town, Do you mean chipper would have better than a 35 hr, 110 RBI season? Because that's what maggs is going to give you. not to mention that chipper is an awful fielder.

I don't think trading either of the jones's is going to hurt an already poor fan base.

flyingswoosh Wrote:not to mention that chipper is an awful fielder.

Have you watched him at 3rd base lately?

flyingswoosh Wrote:I don't think trading either of the jones's is going to hurt an already poor fan base.

I disagree. It would make the fan base just as upset as it did when Glavine signed with the Mets or when we traded Millwood to the Phils.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:not to mention that chipper is an awful fielder. 

Have you watched him at 3rd base lately?

no. But if he's the same at 3rd as he used to be, then it's nothing to brag about.

I can assure you that with age, players don't become better fielders.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:not to mention that chipper is an awful fielder. 

Have you watched him at 3rd base lately?

no. But if he's the same at 3rd as he used to be, then it's nothing to brag about.

I can assure you that with age, players don't become better fielders.

Well, I've watched him everyday he's been back at 3rd, and he's playing a whole lot better over there than he used to.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:not to mention that chipper is an awful fielder. 

Have you watched him at 3rd base lately?

no. But if he's the same at 3rd as he used to be, then it's nothing to brag about.

I can assure you that with age, players don't become better fielders.

Well, I've watched him everyday he's been back at 3rd, and he's playing a whole lot better over there than he used to.

maybe you're making yourself believe that, because it's virtually impossible.

you're right Swoosh, 2 errors in 58 games is terrible...

That is, in games played, just under one third of a season and put him on pace for 5.58, or 6, errors this season a career best.

If you would like to look at his last 4 seasons in errors, they are 25 in 2000, 18 in 2001, 7 in 2002, 7 in 2003.

Notice a trend yet???

jrhessey Wrote:you're right Swoosh, 2 errors in 58 games is terrible...

That is, in games played, just under one third of a season and put him on pace for 5.58, or 6, errors this season a career best.

If you would like to look at his last 4 seasons in errors, they are 25 in 2000, 18 in 2001, 7 in 2002, 7 in 2003.

Notice a trend yet???

you do of course recognize that errors is a completely pointless statistic, for an individual. Have you ever thought that he's made less errors because he's losing range? Obviously you haven't.

swoosh, I'm a Braves fan and you are not. I watch them everyday and you don't. I think I would know if his defense has been better, no offense...

I don't know if any of you have heard, but the only way the White Sox will do it is if we throw in Russ Ortiz. Now look at it this way, we have to shed another 15 million by next season due to AOL cutting payroll, do we do this trade and still have something left and won't have to shed any money.

I say we do it, but only if we get a AAA pitcher. Juan Cruz might be able to start some, and we could always bring up Trey Hodges.

techfan4 Wrote:I don't know if any of you have heard, but the only way the White Sox will do it is if we throw in Russ Ortiz. Now look at it this way, we have to shed another 15 million by next season due to AOL cutting payroll, do we do this trade and still have something left and won't have to shed any money.

I say we do it, but only if we get a AAA pitcher. Juan Cruz might be able to start some, and we could always bring up Trey Hodges.

techfan, I doubt we'll make this trade now that we've started to win again. I don't think JS wants to break up the team.

BTW, on Hodges, I think we sold him to a Japanese team.

Quote:BTW, on Hodges, I think we sold him to a Japanese team.

Really? :laugh:

I don't think everyone would want to do it, but who do you cut at the end of the season? The only guys with 15 million+ is Chipper and Smoltzie, and unless Smoltz retires, they'll both be back, meaning we'll lose out on a lot of key supporting players. Plus we want to keep J.D. It would be best for us since we're cutting off 15 million. I think we could still win.

I'd try to trade Andruw. Put Charles Thomas in center.

Yeah. He looks good, but now they're throwing him off-speed and he's struggled, but once he gets the hang of things he could hit 20 HR+ and be a .280+ hitter consistantly with 75+ RBIs. I'd take that offense over Andruw ANY DAY.