Gray Avenger Wrote:I like this station:
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/statement.php
And I think they deserve support. Those who agree can help me spread the word.
Besides the fact the US is not a Christian nation and their love of the confederacy their points seem to be pretty good.
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I understand your point about the US not being a Christian nation - it was founded as a union of states under a republican government, by founding fathers who were deists as much as anything else. Still, you must admit that Christianity has always been, by far, the prevalent religion of our people - nothing against that, but I am glad we have separation of church and state. As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage. Had you not been brainwashed as a child in the indoctrination centers known as "public schools", maybe you would feel the same way.
Gray Avenger Wrote:I understand your point about the US not being a Christian nation - it was founded as a union of states under a republican government, by founding fathers who were deists as much as anything else. Still, you must admit that Christianity has always been, by far, the prevalent religion of our people - nothing against that, but I am glad we have separation of church and state. As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage. Had you not been brainwashed as a child in the indoctrination centers known as "public schools", maybe you would feel the same way.
Your side lost, deal with it.
Gray Avenger Wrote:As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage.
What should I wear to celebrate this love and respect for Southern heritage... The chain or the noose?
The Confederacy would have much more sympathy from everybody if they had freed the slaves before going to war. They could have stated it was a states rights issue and nothing to do with slavery. They would have also had an awful lot of newly freed men willing to fight. Foreign help would have also been easier to obtain. Of course that wasn't going to happen because even if slavery wasn't the main reason for going to war it was in the top 2 or 3.
Never attended public school until college. Private schools at the time were just getting started and didn't want to touch anything controversial with a 10 foot pole. People were suing private schools right and left in the 70s for whatever reason they could find.
Latilleon Wrote:Gray Avenger Wrote:As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage.
What should I wear to celebrate this love and respect for Southern heritage... The chain or the noose?
Your Chicken George outfit. Now go pick my cotton. lol
Gray Avenger Wrote:I understand your point about the US not being a Christian nation - it was founded as a union of states under a republican government, by founding fathers who were deists as much as anything else. Still, you must admit that Christianity has always been, by far, the prevalent religion of our people - nothing against that, but I am glad we have separation of church and state. As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage. Had you not been brainwashed as a child in the indoctrination centers known as "public schools", maybe you would feel the same way.
I studied historical Economics (particularly 19th Century America) in college (Econ Major-Finance minor).
I can say beyond a doubt that it's an intellectual and spiritual challenge to positively endorse the "Gone With The Wind" Confederate agrarian economy with a foundation based on keeping an entire race of people enslaved like livestock.
While I believe we all have a right (this is America, after all) to look upon our country's history any way we see fit as individuals, to glorify the "Old South" in a romantic and/or nostalgic fashion is a bit shallow-minded to say the least.
Like our nation's raping and pillaging of the original natives who occupied this continent before the Europeans came ashore, it's best to put those periods where entire groups were exploited, behind us.
Like the enslavement of black folks, I don't know too many who are proud of the fact that we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today. While these events are now undeniable, historical facts that we certainly can't change today, these dark moments in time are nonetheless, a part of our history that should be remembered, but certainly not HONORED.
I'm off my soapbox.
;-)
GermantownTiger Wrote:we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today.
WE?
I had not part in that. ;-)
SouthavenTiger Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today.
WE?
I had not part in that. ;-)
"What do you mean 'We', White Man?" lmfao
RandyMc Wrote:SouthavenTiger Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today.
WE?
I had not part in that. ;-)
"What do you mean 'We', White Man?" lmfao
We, the American people. ;-) lmfao
SouthavenTiger Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today.
WE?
I had not part in that. ;-)
Yeah, I know that...I'm really referring to those folks in the SEC!
lmfao
GermantownTiger Wrote:Gray Avenger Wrote:I understand your point about the US not being a Christian nation - it was founded as a union of states under a republican government, by founding fathers who were deists as much as anything else. Still, you must admit that Christianity has always been, by far, the prevalent religion of our people - nothing against that, but I am glad we have separation of church and state. As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage. Had you not been brainwashed as a child in the indoctrination centers known as "public schools", maybe you would feel the same way.
I studied historical Economics (particularly 19th Century America) in college (Econ Major-Finance minor).
I can say beyond a doubt that it's an intellectual and spiritual challenge to positively endorse the "Gone With The Wind" Confederate agrarian economy with a foundation based on keeping an entire race of people enslaved like livestock.
While I believe we all have a right (this is America, after all) to look upon our country's history any way we see fit as individuals, to glorify the "Old South" in a romantic and/or nostalgic fashion is a bit shallow-minded to say the least.
Like our nation's raping and pillaging of the original natives who occupied this continent before the Europeans came ashore, it's best to put those periods where entire groups were exploited, behind us.
Like the enslavement of black folks, I don't know too many who are proud of the fact that we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today. While these events are now undeniable, historical facts that we certainly can't change today, these dark moments in time are nonetheless, a part of our history that should be remembered, but certainly not HONORED.
I'm off my soapbox.
;-)
Many white Southerners have a hard time putting the Confederacy and the Civil War behind them because the South is the only section of the country to have ever experienced complete and total defeat in war. Hundreds of thousands of Southerners died during that war. It is not something that should ever be forgotten, just as black Americans should never be told to forget about the millions of Africans who were killed during the slave trade or brutalized in America. The same goes for the millions of American Indians that were killed. I don't think native white Southerners should forget their history or the war, but there is no need to glorify the Confederacy or "the Cause". The South not only fought for their homes and their land, but they fought to preserve slavery and white supremacy.
All that being said, I am a Southerner of English and Scot-Irish descent and I am proud of my heritage and I am proud to be a Southerner. I think the South has a lot of things to be proud of, both black and white (music, food, literature, etc). The South is really the last distinct region of the United States and has had a great effect on the entire country, both good and bad.
JMSTiger Wrote:GermantownTiger Wrote:Gray Avenger Wrote:I understand your point about the US not being a Christian nation - it was founded as a union of states under a republican government, by founding fathers who were deists as much as anything else. Still, you must admit that Christianity has always been, by far, the prevalent religion of our people - nothing against that, but I am glad we have separation of church and state. As for a "love of the Confederacy", perhaps it is more of a love and respect for Southern heritage. Had you not been brainwashed as a child in the indoctrination centers known as "public schools", maybe you would feel the same way.
I studied historical Economics (particularly 19th Century America) in college (Econ Major-Finance minor).
I can say beyond a doubt that it's an intellectual and spiritual challenge to positively endorse the "Gone With The Wind" Confederate agrarian economy with a foundation based on keeping an entire race of people enslaved like livestock.
While I believe we all have a right (this is America, after all) to look upon our country's history any way we see fit as individuals, to glorify the "Old South" in a romantic and/or nostalgic fashion is a bit shallow-minded to say the least.
Like our nation's raping and pillaging of the original natives who occupied this continent before the Europeans came ashore, it's best to put those periods where entire groups were exploited, behind us.
Like the enslavement of black folks, I don't know too many who are proud of the fact that we killed and uprooted millions of native Americans to develop what we have today. While these events are now undeniable, historical facts that we certainly can't change today, these dark moments in time are nonetheless, a part of our history that should be remembered, but certainly not HONORED.
I'm off my soapbox.
;-)
Many white Southerners have a hard time putting the Confederacy and the Civil War behind them because the South is the only section of the country to have ever experienced complete and total defeat in war. Hundreds of thousands of Southerners died during that war. It is not something that should ever be forgotten, just as black Americans should never be told to forget about the millions of Africans who were killed during the slave trade or brutalized in America. The same goes for the millions of American Indians that were killed. I don't think native white Southerners should forget their history or the war, but there is no need to glorify the Confederacy or "the Cause". The South not only fought for their homes and their land, but they fought to preserve slavery and white supremacy.
All that being said, I am a Southerner of English and Scot-Irish descent and I am proud of my heritage and I am proud to be a Southerner. I think the South has a lot of things to be proud of, both black and white (music, food, literature, etc). The South is really the last distinct region of the United States and has had a great effect on the entire country, both good and bad.
Excellent points.
That's what I love about this country...we're blessed with many fascinating regional influences as a result of challenging events in history (Civil War, migration of immigrants into America, etc.). I just laugh at those Southerners who still act as though General Sherman and his troops marching through their respective town six months ago and burned it to the ground.
Vive la difference!