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That is one of the advantages of having a mediocre coach like West. You do not have to worry about a bigger fish snatching him.

Mediocrity is not Tommy's fault. It has a lot to do with our AD's lack of vision.
Tommy does the best he can, and I have no doubt that he does everything within his power to improve our program daily.

You can call me a happy clapper for that, but I'll stick to my guns for Tommy.

Now RC on the other hand... I wouldn't go that far.

mjaytee Wrote:That is one of the advantages of having a mediocre coach like West. You do not have to worry about a bigger fish snatching him.

Thank you for your classless comment, now crawl back under your rock. Oh by the way, your town called, they miss you, they want their idiot back.

MemphisMike Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:That is one of the advantages of having a mediocre coach like West. You do not have to worry about a bigger fish snatching him.

Thank you for your classless comment, now crawl back under your rock. Oh by the way, your town called, they miss you, they want their idiot back.

Mediocre is not an insult. That is just the fact. I see that you could not deny the fact but replied in the typical ad hominem way.

Is it too much to ask for at least one C-USA title?

MemphisMike Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:That is one of the advantages of having a mediocre coach like West. You do not have to worry about a bigger fish snatching him.

Thank you for your classless comment, now crawl back under your rock. Oh by the way, your town called, they miss you, they want their idiot back.

There's nothing quite so classy like taking a shot at a coach coming off of open heart surgery.

mjaytee Wrote:

MemphisMike Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:That is one of the advantages of having a mediocre coach like West. You do not have to worry about a bigger fish snatching him.

Thank you for your classless comment, now crawl back under your rock. Oh by the way, your town called, they miss you, they want their idiot back.

Mediocre is not an insult. That is just the fact. I see that you could not deny the fact but replied in the typical ad hominem way.

Is it too much to ask for at least one C-USA title?

With what Tommy inherited? You do realize that our first ever bowl game was 4 short years ago, right? Did you expect 1st bowl game one year, conference championship the next, then BCS bowl the next? If RC would get a set and get money for better facilities, Tommy would be able to recruit better...

Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I think our program has moved from 30 years of being really $hitty to mediocre, that means it will take a "good coach" a little longer to get it done.

hey at least we weren't 1-207 over that stretch.

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

Ad hominem, again. Can't defend the facts so attack the messenger. Is one break out season too much to ask for in a weak conference? I'll take just a conference division title, not a championship.

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

My dad can beat up your dad...

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

Put up or shut up.

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

Put up or shut up.

Ok. You win.

GoTigersJoe87 Wrote:Mediocrity is not Tommy's fault. It has a lot to do with our AD's lack of vision.
Tommy does the best he can, and I have no doubt that he does everything within his power to improve our program daily.

You can call me a happy clapper for that, but I'll stick to my guns for Tommy.

Now RC on the other hand... I wouldn't go that far.

I understand your point of view. Thanks for refuting my statement with a logical response.

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

Ad hominem, again. Can't defend the facts so attack the messenger. Is one break out season too much to ask for in a weak conference? I'll take just a conference division title, not a championship.

I know you are but what am I?

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

I'd be willing to bet that Tommy is much better at his job and earns his pay much more than you do.

Wanna bet?

Such a juvenile response.

Put up or shut up.

Ok. You win.

I'll take the Turner Dairy ice cream. That Germantown Commissary Bar B Q gives me the squirts.

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

crappy? MTSU has better freaking facilities than we do!!! Again, we went from a losing program to a winning one under Tommy, it's going to take a while. He has not been a perfect coach by any means. However, our facilities in football, even compared to many of the schools in our CONFERENCE, flat out suck. It's hard to recruit in the middle of SEC country when your facilities aren't even good by CUSA standards.

transitt Wrote:

mjaytee Wrote:Come on now. Nearly every non-BCS team has crappy facilities. Even with the best quarterback, running back, and field goal kicker in history we still did not have one break out season. What I mean by break out is a season where we would have been in the discussion of being a BCS buster or getting shafted by the BCS or even just one CUSA championship.

Mediocre means "of only moderate quality" and that is what we have been under West. This was not meant as a hatin' West post but just an observation, so far. This is not to say it will never happen under West.

crappy? MTSU has better freaking facilities than we do!!! Again, we went from a losing program to a winning one under Tommy, it's going to take a while. He has not been a perfect coach by any means. However, our facilities in football, even compared to many of the schools in our CONFERENCE, flat out suck. It's hard to recruit in the middle of SEC country when your facilities aren't even good by CUSA standards.

Fair enough.

transitt Wrote:With what Tommy inherited? You do realize that our first ever bowl game was 4 short years ago, right? Did you expect 1st bowl game one year, conference championship the next, then BCS bowl the next?

Memphis has been to 5 bowls in history. TW went to three. The New Orleans Bowl in 2003 was the first one since 1971.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...istory.php

of the 80 acitve coaches with at least 5 years hc experience TW ranks #40

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/coaching/d1a.xls

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

transitt Wrote:With what Tommy inherited? You do realize that our first ever bowl game was 4 short years ago, right? Did you expect 1st bowl game one year, conference championship the next, then BCS bowl the next?

Memphis has been to 5 bowls in history. TW went to three. The New Orleans Bowl in 2003 was the first one since 1971.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...istory.php

Ok, in reference to the Burley Bowl in the 50s, what the hell is a Burley Bowl, and did you notice we played ETSU? Not sure that counts. Second, in the Pasadena bowl Memphis went in with a losing record. I'm pretty SURE that doesn't count. Even if it did, it doesn't take away the 32 years of bowl drought that followed, nor the years of SUCKING under Rip. Tommy done a pretty fantastic job building a program with RC having tied one of Tommy's arms behind his back.

transitt Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

transitt Wrote:With what Tommy inherited? You do realize that our first ever bowl game was 4 short years ago, right? Did you expect 1st bowl game one year, conference championship the next, then BCS bowl the next?

Memphis has been to 5 bowls in history. TW went to three. The New Orleans Bowl in 2003 was the first one since 1971.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...istory.php

Ok, in reference to the Burley Bowl in the 50s, what the hell is a Burley Bowl, and did you notice we played ETSU? Not sure that counts. Second, in the Pasadena bowl Memphis went in with a losing record. I'm pretty SURE that doesn't count. Even if it did, it doesn't take away the 32 years of bowl drought that followed, nor the years of SUCKING under Rip. Tommy done a pretty fantastic job building a program with RC having tied one of Tommy's arms behind his back.

As far as the Burley Bowl and the Pasadena Bowl, they all count.

Tommy has done a better job than just about every other coach in Tiger history. Of course, he did it with DeAngelo Williams and Danny Wimprine. The length of his tenure will be determined by what he does next.

transitt Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

transitt Wrote:With what Tommy inherited? You do realize that our first ever bowl game was 4 short years ago, right? Did you expect 1st bowl game one year, conference championship the next, then BCS bowl the next?

Memphis has been to 5 bowls in history. TW went to three. The New Orleans Bowl in 2003 was the first one since 1971.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...istory.php

Ok, in reference to the Burley Bowl in the 50s, what the hell is a Burley Bowl, and did you notice we played ETSU? Not sure that counts. Second, in the Pasadena bowl Memphis went in with a losing record. I'm pretty SURE that doesn't count. Even if it did, it doesn't take away the 32 years of bowl drought that followed, nor the years of SUCKING under Rip. Tommy done a pretty fantastic job building a program with RC having tied one of Tommy's arms behind his back.

Hey don't knock the Pasadena Bowl. I was there and it seemed pretty real. Didn't really care whether we had a winning record since we won and I had a great time...I was in the band and I do have to admit if it wasn't for us and the local boy scouts the Rose Bowl would have looked even more empty than it did that day lmfao

I think Tommy West is exactly what is needed at the U of M. We have a coach that has tasted the "Big Time" and appears to have learned a lot from that experience. We run an exciting offense for the first time since I really started following the Tigers 30 years ago. Tommy realizes that to sell the U of M, you have to sell the city, which is the best way to compete with BCS programs in small towns with no job opportunities. Memphis vs Oxford, Memphis vs Tuscaloosa, Memphis vs Starkville, Memphis vs Fayetteville, Memphis vs Knoxville - Not even worth arguing. This is how you sell recruits on the U of M. Tommy knows that and has done a good job versus his predecessors. During Tommy's regime, the Tigers have recruited Gerg Hinds, Will Hudgens, Bandon Pearce, Michael Grandberry, Stacy Jones, T. J. Pitts, Duke Calhoun, Matt Malouf, Coderick Govan, Willie Henderson, Quinton McCrary, Maruice Avery, O. C. Collins, John Doucette, Mario Pratcher, DeAngelo Williams, Jammal Rufus, Bobby Robison, Joe Doss and others that all had offers from BCS Conferences. Also, Tommy is willing to make changes when he believes they need to be made. He cut loose a good friend and hired JLD. He cut loose JLD at a very inopportuned time because he felt a change needed to be made. It takes a leader to make those types of difficult decsions. He has a vision for the team, which a leader must have. He represents the University extremely well, unlike the embarrassment 70 some odd miles to the south of us. And HE WANTS TO BE HERE. I don't know Tommy West and quite frankly was concerned when he was named head coach, but I was wrong. As long as Tommy has the fire to compete, and only he can answer that question, I beleive he is without a doubt the best man for the job of leading this football program. I don't believe Tommy is a mediocre recruiter, I think given our circumstances he has been much more successful than his predecessors. I believe Tommy is a good, not mediocre, bench coach. I believe Tommy is an outstanding, not mediocre representive for our football program, University and city. A good way to know if you have the right person in the job or not is to ask yourself, if the position was open today, given what you know about the person in the position, would you hire them for the job. If the answer is no, you have the wrong person in the job. Regarding the head coaching position at the U of M, I would answer with a resounding YES. And I am not a fan of mediocrity. [/b]

Coach West has done a great job. That being said its time to start doing better in recruiting. And quit blaming RC for everything. Sure he has his faults. But some of you on this board probably blame him for everything but the kennedy assassination. Think about this for a minute. What if he hadnt been the AD when Coach Cal came around? One of those George Lapides cronies and you know who they are wouldnt have been able to get Cal.