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Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

Quote:Great coordinators don't always make good head coaches. If I were a defensive player, he is who I would want to play for. As a Tiger football fan for the last 38 years, I wouldn't trade him for anybody I can think of. I hope our players are busting their tails trying to do everything he asks, and not reading the message boards and blaming him for their own failures.

Now who said that the other day? ummmmmm?

Would you jump off a bridge if Tommy asked you to?

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cmt Wrote:[quote]Great coordinators don't always make good head coaches. If I were a defensive player, he is who I would want to play for. As a Tiger football fan for the last 38 years, I wouldn't trade him for anybody I can think of. I hope our players are busting their tails trying to do everything he asks, and not reading the message boards and blaming him for their own failures.

Now who said that the other day? ummmmmm?

I did. I was defending our program the best way I knew how. Unlike some others, I take into account that our players and potential recruits read message boards. I think public relations people refer to it as "damage control".

Gray Avenger Wrote:

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cmt Wrote:[quote]Great coordinators don't always make good head coaches. If I were a defensive player, he is who I would want to play for. As a Tiger football fan for the last 38 years, I wouldn't trade him for anybody I can think of. I hope our players are busting their tails trying to do everything he asks, and not reading the message boards and blaming him for their own failures.

Now who said that the other day? ummmmmm?

I did. I was defending our program the best way I knew how. Unlike some others, I take into account that our players and potential recruits read message boards. I think public relations people refer to it as "damage control".

Were you defending Rip in the final days too? Were you saying he shouldn't be fired?

Gray Avenger Wrote:Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

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fsquid Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

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More like dancing clown. lmfao lmfao lmfao


Talk about trying to save face when your ramblings have been shot down. lmfao

And as a holder of a degree in Public Relations from our great university, GA's attempt at spin gets a D. But I give him +5 for his effort (you know sometimes special students need "extra" help) So GA gets a D+ on his PR memo.

Gray Avenger Wrote:I did. I was defending our program the best way I knew how. Unlike some others, I take into account that our players and potential recruits read message boards. I think public relations people refer to it as "damage control".

Here's a thought, why not leave the "damage control" to those who actually work for the athletic department? They are the ones who know what the situation is and the message they want to get out there. You, on the other hand, do not. I thought what Tommy had to say about Joe Lee Dunn & his firing was perfect. He made sure to explain his reasons why, and thanked Coach Dunn for the important work he did here. Maybe there is 'more to the story' like some on this board have stated, but Tommy put the message he wanted out there.

I'm sure you have the best intentions, but why not let the people on Normal do their job. Offer your opinion all you want, this is a messageboard afterall, but don't presume to be the voice of the program.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

where's that little puke icon? I need it after reading this.

BrianJ Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

where's that little puke icon? I need it after reading this.

Here you go..........

GA rambling... the result to others from listening.....

Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

And you post this on a Tiger messageboard, yea this is the place to preach about being a fan.
Your problem is you are always attacking fans and their opinions. Your ramblings about fandom is at the wrong place.........which leads me to ask...Honestly, to you think before you post??

And sometimes it is honorable to admit when you've stuck your foot in your mouth.

But I guess that would take credibility and humility first.....

Gray Avenger Wrote:Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

I agree with what you say here but would worded it a little "softer". I don't understand why anyone would make openly critical statements about our team, coaches, or players on a public message board. No good can come from negative comments about the Tigers on a board like this. The bottom line is that Coach West saw that a change needed to be made and he made the change. I think we all agree that change was needed and we should move on from here, attend games, give $, join TSF, the HH, etc, and have a good time.

In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

oldtiger Wrote:In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

because they are idiots. they get criticized so they criticize at
every opportunity....

I don't think it is right to say "they are idiots"


To be honest GA brings a lot of it on himself. Simply because he is a broken record that tries very hard to pull the "company line" even when he is not the company.

While I will say that I like his positive attitude about the team, the blue and gray stance gets a little old.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

Whose the REAL fan?

The guy who is perfectly content with mediocrity and doesn't call for change when change is obviously needed.

OR

The guy who goes to every game and supports his team, but is willing to call a spade a spade and admit when there's a problem.

If it weren't for fan outcry many bad coaches would keep their jobs longer than they should. This isn't how a REAL fan should act...

georgiatiger Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

Because he gave people a hard time for saying last week EXACTLY what Tommy West said on Monday. You can be a damn good fan and not be happy with what's going on.

Pope? Did someone say Pope?

oldtiger Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

I agree with what you say here but would worded it a little "softer". I don't understand why anyone would make openly critical statements about our team, coaches, or players on a public message board. No good can come from negative comments about the Tigers on a board like this. The bottom line is that Coach West saw that a change needed to be made and he made the change. I think we all agree that change was needed and we should move on from here, attend games, give $, join TSF, the HH, etc, and have a good time.

In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

It's not about his loyalty, after stating that he can think of no DC he would rather have than JLD (Sept 7? thread) he followed up with this gem.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Quote:[quote="TigerEdward
As for GA calling memphisdude a troll, well I guess I am too.

I didn't call him a troll, you slack-jawed, slobbering idiot. I said he might be one.

By the way, I like hearing Joe Lee talk. Makes me homesick, and beats hell out of hearing some sissy-boy, yankeefied metrosexual saying "you guys".

Bill83 Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:[quote="Gray Avenger"]Bash me all you want - makes no difference to me. And go ahead and congratulate yourself on your expertise, but remember this: every program has a bountiful supply of "experts" - it is fans who are needed most. Fans, I might add, who are responsible and intelligent enough to be mindful of what they say in public.

I agree with what you say here but would worded it a little "softer". I don't understand why anyone would make openly critical statements about our team, coaches, or players on a public message board. No good can come from negative comments about the Tigers on a board like this. The bottom line is that Coach West saw that a change needed to be made and he made the change. I think we all agree that change was needed and we should move on from here, attend games, give $, join TSF, the HH, etc, and have a good time.

In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

It's not about his loyalty, after stating that he can think of no DC he would rather have than JLD (Sept 7? thread) he followed up with this gem.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

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TigerEdward
As for GA calling memphisdude a troll, well I guess I am too.</blockquote>

I didn't call him a troll, you slack-jawed, slobbering idiot. I said he [i Wrote:might [/i] be one.

By the way, I like hearing Joe Lee talk. Makes me homesick, and beats hell out of hearing some sissy-boy, yankeefied metrosexual saying "you guys".

And may I add that he said I was "probably" a troll.
He went back and edited his post after he got called out.

And he did this though I have NEVER casted any aspersions on him in my history on this board.

Does a message board count as public?

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3601 Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:[quote="oldtiger"]
In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

Because he gave people a hard time for saying last week EXACTLY what Tommy West said on Monday. You can be a damn good fan and not be happy with what's going on.

(1) Tommy West is the coach - there is a difference.

(2) Had Joe Lee been kept, public grumbling would have only hurt the program.

(3) Good fans certainly don't have to be happy with what's going on, but they should have enough sense to know when to guard their words. Private conversations, and even corresponding with university officials if fine. Publicly bashing the program (and Joe Lee WAS part at the time) and getting caught up in mob mentality is more of a slack-jawed, nbabbling idiot kind-of-thing.

Gray Avenger Wrote:(1) Tommy West is the coach - there is a difference.

(2) Had Joe Lee been kept, public grumbling would have only hurt the program.

(3) Good fans certainly don't have to be happy with what's going on, but they should have enough sense to know when to guard their words. Private conversations, and even corresponding with university officials if fine. Publicly bashing the program (and Joe Lee WAS part at the time) and getting caught up in mob mentality is more of a slack-jawed, nbabbling idiot kind-of-thing.

I'm curious if you also apply this philosophy to politics. If so, may I safely assume you always publicly support the incumbent, regardless of your political beliefs and whether or not you voted for them?

I don't know or care what your political leanings are and I don

Gray Avenger Wrote:

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3601 Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:[quote="oldtiger"]
In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

Because he gave people a hard time for saying last week EXACTLY what Tommy West said on Monday. You can be a damn good fan and not be happy with what's going on.

(1) Tommy West is the coach - there is a difference.

(2) Had Joe Lee been kept, public grumbling would have only hurt the program.

(3) Good fans certainly don't have to be happy with what's going on, but they should have enough sense to know when to guard their words. Private conversations, and even corresponding with university officials if fine. Publicly bashing the program (and Joe Lee WAS part at the time) and getting caught up in mob mentality is more of a slack-jawed, nbabbling idiot kind-of-thing.

Give it a rest man. You are wrong, most don't agree with you. The coach himself has made the change, again you were wrong. Save some face and take it like a man. Quit your whining and moaning Nancy . The messageboard is for these purposes to talk about issues. Quit all the bull comments about who is a fan. You don't determine that. YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED Now be as civil as you can be and let it go. You are not the voice for the University or Coach West. We are all entitled to our opinions and our criticisms. Lord I'm glad our fore fathers didn't share your way of thinking or we would still be serving the Queen. And you keep piling it on your self with these desperate ramblings . It has been pointed out to you that their are open letters in the CA all the time criticizing things at the University, now that is public, but guess what, those people are still fans and have a right to their opinion.

Here's and idea for you GA. Create your own messageboard and make your own rules up . Heck put the color scheme in reflex blue and medium gray. Make it the gayest (as in Happy) ;-) Tigerboard you want. YOU can have the power to ban :banme: anyone that doesn't think Tommy isn't attractive and talks about RC's hair piece. But quit trying to act like you have a higher status because you don't have the nuts to call things as they are . I am starting to be embarassed for you, your posts just seem to keep getting more pathetic as this whole thing has played out.

TigerEdward Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

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3601 Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:[quote="oldtiger"]
In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

Because he gave people a hard time for saying last week EXACTLY what Tommy West said on Monday. You can be a damn good fan and not be happy with what's going on.

(1) Tommy West is the coach - there is a difference.

(2) Had Joe Lee been kept, public grumbling would have only hurt the program.

(3) Good fans certainly don't have to be happy with what's going on, but they should have enough sense to know when to guard their words. Private conversations, and even corresponding with university officials if fine. Publicly bashing the program (and Joe Lee WAS part at the time) and getting caught up in mob mentality is more of a slack-jawed, nbabbling idiot kind-of-thing.

Give it a rest man. You are wrong, most don't agree with you. The coach himself has made the change, again you were wrong. Save some face and take it like a man. Quit your whining and moaning Nancy . The messageboard is for these purposes to talk about issues. Quit all the bull comments about who is a fan. You don't determine that. YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED Now be as civil as you can be and let it go. You are not the voice for the University or Coach West. We are all entitled to our opinions and our criticisms. Lord I'm glad our fore fathers didn't share your way of thinking or we would still be serving the Queen. And you keep piling it on your self with these desperate ramblings . It has been pointed out to you that their are open letters in the CA all the time criticizing things at the University, now that is public, but guess what, those people are still fans and have a right to their opinion.

Here's and idea for you GA. Create your own messageboard and make your own rules up . Heck put the color scheme in reflex blue and medium gray. Make it the gayest (as in Happy) ;-) Tigerboard you want. YOU can have the power to ban :banme: anyone that doesn't think Tommy isn't attractive and talks about RC's hair piece. But quit trying to act like you have a higher status because you don't have the nuts to call things as they are . I am starting to be embarassed for you, your posts just seem to keep getting more pathetic as this whole thing has played out.

That might be a record for emoticons in one post. Good job!!

Gray Avenger Wrote:

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3601 Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:[quote="oldtiger"]
In this case, why folks are giving GA a hard time about his loyalty is a mystery to me.

same here. let's move on.....

Because he gave people a hard time for saying last week EXACTLY what Tommy West said on Monday. You can be a damn good fan and not be happy with what's going on.

(1) Tommy West is the coach - there is a difference.

(2) Had Joe Lee been kept, public grumbling would have only hurt the program.

(3) Good fans certainly don't have to be happy with what's going on, but they should have enough sense to know when to guard their words. Private conversations, and even corresponding with university officials if fine. Publicly bashing the program (and Joe Lee WAS part at the time) and getting caught up in mob mentality is more of a slack-jawed, nbabbling idiot kind-of-thing.

I wasn't publicly bashing JLD or the program last week, but I don't have a problem with those that did. Tommy West agreed with them. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not fan rumblings hurt a program. I think you VASTLY overestimate the harm caused. In fact, I think it sometimes helps speed up changes that need to be made.

TigerEdward Wrote:RC's hair piece

He doesn't have a hairpiece. I have seen him getting his hair cut (same place as I get my hair cut).

TigerEdward Wrote:

Quote:Give it a rest man.

I would be glad to, but you can't seem to shut up.

[quote]You are wrong

Wrong to have faith in Tommy West? Wrong to say publicly bashing our football program (and/or integral parts thereof) does more harm than good?

Quote:most don't agree with you.

As a proud 5th-generation Mississippian, that wouldn't matter to me, even if it were true

Quote:The coach himself has made the change

,

And I have saluted him for his courageous action and doing what he believes to be right.

Quote:again you were wrong.

You are wasting good electrons.

Quote:Save some face and take it like a man.

Not worried about saving face before the likes of you.

Quote:Quit your whining and moaning Nancy :weeping

: .

What in hell are you talking about?

Quote:The messageboard is for these purposes to talk about issues. Quit all the bull

With freedom and rights, come responsibilty

Quote:Now be as civil as you can be and let it go.

Practice what you preach.

Quote:You are not the voice for the University or Coach West.

Did I say I was?

Quote:quit trying to act like you have a higher status because you don't have the nuts to call things as they are.

I was right - you are definitely a slack-jawed, babbling idiot. Thanks for the vivid illustration. I actually hate personal attacks, but Son, you just beg for it.

We're all Tiger fans, this thread is a shame.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Tiger football fans have MANY things to be grateful to Tommy West for, as we all know, but his dismissal of Joe Lee Dunn Monday ranks high among them. David Crockett's motto was, "Be sure you are right, then go ahead". Obviously, Coach did exactly that, despite their friendship, his gratitude for Joe Lee's past contributions and the difficult timing, he had the fortitude and courage of his convictions to make a very tough decision and act upon it immediately, as unpleasant as it was. For that I publicly say, "Thanks Tommy for always putting our football program first". For those questioning my saying this, I say that I was never so much a Joe Lee Dunn man as a Tommy West man. As long as Joe Lee was Tommy's chosen DC, I defended him, just as I will defend any of his assistants to the best of my ability. I plainly said several times that "if Joe Lee is good enough for Tommy West, he is good enough for me", due to my "blind faith" as some will call it, in his judgement and ability to build a clean winning, program here. Monday's announcement certainly vindicated that faith.

The board needs a dose of Haldol--

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Cletus wrote:
I don't think you really have a say in them staying or going. Maybe when you've been here a few more posts than 27; do ya think????

Whatever line someone has to cross to be exiled they haven't crossed.

They both are good Tiger fans and contributors to this great board.

We don't necessarily have to agree about everything concerning the Tigers.

I know I've had my moments with b; but he needs to stay and continue to entertain us.
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I agree with Cletus. This was a very unnecessary juvenile poll. I don't agree with TG4 in all of his opinions or actions but he is entitled to his opinion and stance. I don't know you greattiger, but you should learn a little humility when dealing with those of differing opinions, especially those "inside the family". And as many have stated, TG4 is a Tiger fan, he just has an issue with our basketball coach. It is his choice which I differ with but I will respectfully disagree instead of stirring up personal attacks.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

TigerEdward Wrote:

Quote:Give it a rest man.

I would be glad to, but you can't seem to shut up.

[quote]You are wrong

Wrong to have faith in Tommy West? Wrong to say publicly bashing our football program (and/or integral parts thereof) does more harm than good?

Quote:most don't agree with you.

As a proud 5th-generation Mississippian, that wouldn't matter to me, even if it were true

Quote:The coach himself has made the change

,

And I have saluted him for his courageous action and doing what he believes to be right.

Quote:again you were wrong.

You are wasting good electrons.

Quote:Save some face and take it like a man.

Not worried about saving face before the likes of you.

Quote:Quit your whining and moaning Nancy :weeping

: .

What in hell are you talking about?

Quote:The messageboard is for these purposes to talk about issues. Quit all the bull

With freedom and rights, come responsibilty

Quote:Now be as civil as you can be and let it go.

Practice what you preach.

Quote:You are not the voice for the University or Coach West.

Did I say I was?

Quote:quit trying to act like you have a higher status because you don't have the nuts to call things as they are.

I was right - you are definitely a slack-jawed, babbling idiot. Thanks for the vivid illustration. I actually hate personal attacks, but Son, you just beg for it.

3 crappie bowls in the last 100 yrs thank you tommy........

TopHog Wrote:3 crappie bowls in the last 100 yrs thank you tommy........

What bowl game did the hogs make it to last year?