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This has GOT to be his last year. Ole Miss ain't all that, and we can't give up 28 points a game to mediocore teams. We are going to play some teams better than Ole Miss, and if we don't play D any better than we did today we may get run out of the stadium at some point.

Our offense played good, very few penalites, only one turnover, kick coverage and punt coverage needs to improve.

Hankins looked great, he's the real deal.

Tiger46 Wrote:This has GOT to be his last year. Ole Miss ain't all that, and we can't give up 28 points a game to mediocore teams. We are going to play some teams better than Ole Miss, and if we don't play D any better than we did today we may get run out of the stadium at some point.

Our offense played good, very few penalites, only one turnover, kick coverage and punt coverage needs to improve.

Hankins looked great, he's the real deal.

Just wait until we play UT and UTEP. There has been zero defensive improvement over the last three seasons.

YES! I LOVE THIS THREAD!

tigersargh

we should have went for the onside kick. What were they thinking? We haven't stopped the run all day.

tigersargh Wrote:YES! I LOVE THIS THREAD!

tigersargh

I say it's all about his preparation. The first quarter I saw the D flying to the ball (stopping the run). After that trick play they just gave up. Who's 37? That's the laziest sob I've ever seen.

the D-line just got gassed way too early. There was no pursuit in the entire 2nd half. Really poor effort from where I was sitting.

On the flipside the offense gives me tremendous hope. How's Robinson (is that his name?) by the way

FORealTigerFan Wrote:we should have went for the onside kick. What were they thinking? We haven't stopped the run all day.

Totally agree.

Chi-TownTiger Wrote:

tigersargh Wrote:YES! I LOVE THIS THREAD!

tigersargh

I say it's all about his preparation. The first quarter I saw the D flying to the ball (stopping the run). After that trick play they just gave up. Who's 37? That's the laziest sob I've ever seen.

the D-line just got gassed way too early. There was no pursuit in the entire 2nd half. Really poor effort from where I was sitting.

On the flipside the offense gives me tremendous hope. How's Robinson (is that his name?) by the way

#37 must be Kareem Cooper.

dan o Wrote:

Chi-TownTiger Wrote:

tigersargh Wrote:YES! I LOVE THIS THREAD!

tigersargh

I say it's all about his preparation. The first quarter I saw the D flying to the ball (stopping the run). After that trick play they just gave up. Who's 37? That's the laziest sob I've ever seen.

the D-line just got gassed way too early. There was no pursuit in the entire 2nd half. Really poor effort from where I was sitting.

On the flipside the offense gives me tremendous hope. How's Robinson (is that his name?) by the way

#37 must be Kareem Cooper.

lmfao

Maybe TW should just take over the defense.......anyone remember how good our defense was when tommy came here at our DC?

Watauga9 Wrote:Maybe TW should just take over the defense.......anyone remember how good our defense was when tommy came here at our DC?

Yeah, weren't we 3-8?

Watauga9 Wrote:Maybe TW should just take over the defense.......anyone remember how good our defense was when tommy came here at our DC?

Top Twenty......LEGEND.

Chi-TownTiger Wrote:

tigersargh Wrote:YES! I LOVE THIS THREAD!

tigersargh

I say it's all about his preparation. The first quarter I saw the D flying to the ball (stopping the run). After that trick play they just gave up. Who's 37? That's the laziest sob I've ever seen.

the D-line just got gassed way too early. There was no pursuit in the entire 2nd half. Really poor effort from where I was sitting.

On the flipside the offense gives me tremendous hope. How's Robinson (is that his name?) by the way

Out for the year, says Coach West.

Ya we were 3-8 with NO OFFENSE! Our defense was always solid!

Has anyone noticed that the Tigers get run over at least once a year with JLD? I am not talking ran over by bike, I am talking a caravan of Freightliners running over the Tigers.
Last year was UCF
2004 was Cincinnati
Every year- UAB

Why does Coach West stick with JLD? He has not produced except his 1st year. How long can a man live on one year of success?

I am very frustrated.

First, I agree and thought so after last year. However, we have a whole season to play. Let's pull for the guys to get better and for JLD to lead them. Then we'll see.

Joe Lee should go, the sooner the better. Tommy West needs to step up to the plate and address this problem Freindship is great, but it doesn't win games. Instead of commenting about Cals clothes cost more than he makes, I think he makes about a mil a wear. go ahead and bite the bullet. Say good bye Joe Lee, Keith Butler would have loved to had the job a few years ago. I think Coach West is the Man, now he needs to seal the deal by moving on with a new def-cord.

tiger warrior Wrote:Joe Lee should go, the sooner the better. Tommy West needs to step up to the plate and address this problem Freindship is great, but it doesn't win games. Instead of commenting about Cals clothes cost more than he makes, I think he makes about a mil a wear. go ahead and bite the bullet. Say good bye Joe Lee, Keith Butler would have loved to had the job a few years ago. I think Coach West is the Man, now he needs to seal the deal by moving on with a new def-cord.

I agree. The Tigers are close to being a really good program. But this gimmick defense has got to go.

We used to have a great defense and a sorry offense.

Now it is the other way around.

Fact is, we don't get enough exceptional recruits to beef up both sides of the ball. We have to choose. JLD is willing to coach whatever we give him. DeAngelo, Winprime, Gotti, Doss, Hankins... The list of solid offensive talent is getting longer by the year. JLD's job is to make the best of whatever we can get, and he's doing fairly well considering.

The problem isn't the scheme, the problem is recruiting. However, JLD isn't helping the recruiting problem either.

If its any consolation, we had more total yards that OM did. Their defense must be catching it too.

He needs to go, along with the entire defensive staff.

You can argue that JLD doesn't have the players, but your schemes should be solid with the players you have.

Compare his job with Fitchner, Last year... he had DeAngelo and had to make some major adjustments. He is someone who truly makes do with what he has, and our offense has been solid under him.

Claw Wrote:We used to have a great defense and a sorry offense.

Now it is the other way around.

Fact is, we don't get enough exceptional recruits to beef up both sides of the ball. We have to choose. JLD is willing to coach whatever we give him. DeAngelo, Winprime, Gotti, Doss, Hankins... The list of solid offensive talent is getting longer by the year. JLD's job is to make the best of whatever we can get, and he's doing fairly well considering.

The problem isn't the scheme, the problem is recruiting. However, JLD isn't helping the recruiting problem either.

the difference is we used to not be able to get good offensive players, but we could pick up defensive athletes.
Now we are getting the skilled offensive players but the same cannot be said for the defensive players.
We need a younger, fresh approach to defense.
We need a defensive co. that has young, intelligent,
go-getter attitude towards recruiting and defense.

From what I saw the offense was prepared and was able to create time
and lanes for Doss to run.
Defense couldn't push back a grandmother in a wheelchair.

Yea, the defense didn't have to make ANY adjustments last year.

This is the same defense that got BETTER as the year went along and totally DESTROY Marshall with A TWO MAN FRONT!!!!

Some people on this board just have a one-track mind. I hate to admit, but Ole Miss will have a VERY good ofensive line this year. They are going to beat a LOT of teams, and it is not just because of our front.

I don't hear people talking at Ohio State that they should get rid of their D coach because they gave up 285 yards to one player Saturday.

First, let's see how the season goes for both us and Ole Miss. I think we will be very good and Ole Miss will be pretty good as well. (Dadgum I hate to say that!!!!!)

In fairness to Joe Lee, JLD didn't make the offensive play calls in the redzone. Our special teams let us down too. Field position was lousy as a result. Our defense was not stellar, but it is a team game. Tommy West has confidence in Joe Lee and thats good enough for me. If the time comes for a change Tommy will make it.

The problem with Joe lee is he does not and will not recruit. He doesn't think it's part of his job, and Tommy lets him get away with it. That's why the recruiting on defense is not as good as the recruiting on offense. Finchter is going out and finding his guys...Joe Lee is not.

All I heard last spring was that our defense had reloaded and was deep in every position. All I saw yesterday was our defense not being able to stop the run the entire game. There was no secret as to what they were going to do, and we still didn't stop them.

tiger warrior Wrote:Say good bye Joe Lee, Keith Butler would have loved to had the job a few years ago. I think Coach West is the Man, now he needs to seal the deal by moving on with a new def-cord.

Where is Keith Butler now ??? There's others as well. It would be worth the move to try and get help ... NOW. I would bet on T. West becoming more involved with the "D" than before.

Offense is "under control"... and thankfully so. Do what worked Sunday... forget what did not. Arkansas has learned that lesson ... the hard way. Mustain will be the QB roll.

Let Hankins "Roll"... he's shown what he can do (Pass) when turned loose.

Tommy ... help out the DEFENSE ! !

Alright, I"m going to lay it all out in one thread and just get it off my chest.

1. offense...I thought they did a great job for a unit starting a new QB. You build the confidence up, and then let 'em loose. They did exactly that. We dropped some balls that would have changed the game, but overall, I loved what I saw. I said it in another thread, but a end-around in the red zone is never a good idea, especially when everyone knows that's a big part of our playbook. But the bright side is that Hankins can throw a great ball and we had our way with the Mississippi DB's all day (which was supposed to be the strength of their defense). Did Hankins throw a single bad ball all day?

2. defense...Put me in the JLD must go crowd, but here's why. The defense didn't adjust. #22 (his name is slipping my mind) is going to be real good real soon, but we made him look better. How many times did they run him through the middle with us failing to pick him up? Until the 3rd Q (maybe even the 4th), he was the ONLY Rebel player to catch a pass. We simple didn't adjust, and that falls on the shoulders of JLD.

Our run defense looked bad today. I know their OL is massive, and that may factor in it, but we simply didn't contain the running game after the 1st Q. Our pass defense looked untested, except for letting #22 catch the ball over the field unmolested all game.

People can say that JLD doesn't have the players, but that's a lame excuse. We have talent out there, it's just not being properly utilized by his system. I expect that the defense will get better over the season, and that will soften some of the fire JLD yells. That's unfortunate, because I don't think he's the right guy for the job anymore. I saw someone pointing out that we dominated Marshall, that wasn't as much of an accomplishment when you look at Marshall's squad last year.

3. special teams...when you catch the ball in the endzone, either run it out immediately, or kneel. Don't fake a kneel, let the coverage get 10 yards closer, then run. I'm not as down on the special teams as some. Our defense let them push the field position just enough to pin us deep every time. Although I'm starting to question our choices in returners, it just seems that we don't get very many yards...or are we just not blocking to the best of our ability?

Go ahead, rip me if you want...but that is the way I see things. I think we'll be a lot better this season than most believe, but I also think that JLD has officially lost touch with the defensive side of college football.

FIRE JLD.......nuff said....he's horrid.

I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

I really doubt he is saying this behind closed doors. He has to say he supports him publicly. JLD is a ZERO. I mean seriously the defense has been pathetic for the past few years. Was there anybody else in the stadium that didn't know the 3rd & Goal and the 3rd & 4 at the end of the game were going to be QB draws?

Here's a big question for ya. Did TW hire JLD? If so, then he's got a duty to stand behind his hire. One would think that TW has already stood behind JLD enough, but do you really think anything's going to change in the middle of the season?

If JLD is totally inept at calling the defense, then the first step would be for TW to make the calls and have JLD execute them. If JLD can't handle that, then he should hit the road. I'd be surprised if JLD is fired midseason. Get used to seeing him on the sidelines, whether he's actually contributing or not.

Da_Hit_Dogg Wrote:I really doubt he is saying this behind closed doors. He has to say he supports him publicly. JLD is a ZERO. I mean seriously the defense has been pathetic for the past few years. Was there anybody else in the stadium that didn't know the 3rd & Goal and the 3rd & 4 at the end of the game were going to be QB draws?

And "Da Hit Dogg" is a defensive genius? lmfao

If you don't call Tommy West and tell him you'd take the job because JLD is a ZERO then you don't have a hair on your A$$.

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

I hate this response, and it took longer that I expected for someone to fall back on it.

JLD knows more about defense than I do, that doesn't mean that he's the right guy for the job now, of that I'm saying that I'd be better suited.

2 seasons ago, we were being touted as potentially the next non-BCS team to crash the party. What happened, our defense leaked like a sieve and we couldn't stop anyone's passing game.

Last year, our defense played a bit better at times, but reverted to 2004 form at others. UCF trounced all over our guys, ECU almost came back and beat us, we couldn't hold a 14-points lead against UAB, etc.

Yesterday, our offense looked good. We were a bit conservative at times, but that's to be expected with all the unknowns. Our defense, especially the run defense, got their asses handed to them by an offense that had played together for less than a month. Tommy West said after that game that the run defense was sorry.

Frankly, he's had a chance to make something of the defense, and it hasn't materialized...yes, I know, they held Marshall to 3 poitns last year, yada, yada, yada. Someone can/will say that he's doing the best he can with the players he's given, but that doesn't cut the mustard with me either.

Some on this board will forever be apologists...and God bless your blind dedication and loyalty. But I think we're in a situation where our defensive schemes have not meshed well with the personnel for a few years now, and it has cost us more than a few opportunities...and that points back to the DC and the point of this thread.

Peace.

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

I am by no means an apologist, and I will call a spade a spade. However, I trust in TW, and if he feels Joe Lee is the best man for th job, he has a reason for that. As I do not know what he knows I accept that and I will support his decision.

We have been to three straight bowls under Joe Lee as DC.

this should be the official dump tiger46 thread.

Chi-Town Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

I am by no means an apologist, and I will call a spade a spade. However, I trust in TW, and if he feels Joe Lee is the best man for th job, he has a reason for that. As I do not know what he knows I accept that and I will support his decision.

We have been to three straight bowls under Joe Lee as DC.

Not to defend or to point fingers at JLD... but you, Chi-Town Hog, would have to rely on Coach West's opinion, since you can't seem to find your way down to see the game and form your own.... So I hope you DO trust him.

Also, if you want to be honest, three runs to the left (all stuffed) to start the second half, after an amazing drive to the OM Red Zone, cost us the game as much as anything else... it's not like OM woulda really changed their attack had we been leading by that TD late in the game, hell they never attempted a FG the entire game... so it's not like they left extra points out on the field by playing conservative.

And just like JLD gets burnt badly once every year, RF forgets how to call a game once in a while too.

He did Sunday for just one series of downs and it greatly contributed to a loss.

But look at it this way Tiger Fans, our PLAYERS made very few mistakes, and only had one? penalty (OK and one gimme) all day IN OXFORD.

That is very promising for the 1st game, and hopefully, we won't get outcoached again.

HoopDreams Wrote:''We're going to show you a bunch of different looks and see what you do to take it away,'' said first-year Rebel offensive coordinator Dan Werner. ''They didn't do much to take it away, so we kept running it.''

nuff said...

BK#14 Wrote:

HoopDreams Wrote:''We're going to show you a bunch of different looks and see what you do to take it away,'' said first-year Rebel offensive coordinator Dan Werner. ''They didn't do much to take it away, so we kept running it.''

nuff said...

We looked passive on the defensive side of the ball IMO. That being said, it is still a young season and we will get better.

I believe we gave Schaffer (sp??) too much respect. I understand how he got his reputation but we did not come after him hard enough IMO, and when we did (on two series) it worked.

We will get better. KOW, KOW, KOW.

Trying to take the emotion out of it.

1) JLD did what better than any DC I could imagine last year.
2) WE have been rated > 100 out of 117 pass defenses two years in a row.
3) We have had our heads handed to us by Cincy, UAB,UCF, Ole Miss and others with the same personnel that has gotten it done against less physical offenses over the last several years.
4) We DID NOT substitute and keep fresh bodies in there Sunday like we were lead to believe was the game plan and our D line was gassed at the edn of the game (maybe there were reasons, maybe JLD).
5) Our QB pressure came from the blitz, not our D line
6) WE don't know if the secondary is improved because OLE Miss didn't throw the ball.
7) Tommy is stubborn when it comes to fans critizing JLD.
8) We will not win a CUSA championship much less a BCS spot until we are at least top 30 in both offsense and defense.
9) Our overall defensive rankings in the NCAA the last two years have been in the lower 20%.

Conclusion, If I had an employee that had the results of JLD after the last 4 years , he would be on probation this year and he would get lots of mentoring but not micromanaged. If he didn't meet expectations, I would let him go at the end of the season. The question is, does Tommy look at the results or is he looking it at in the same way Cutcliffe did @ Ole Miss?

the substitution thing was what really bothered me when I watched the game....we should have worn OM down and they should have been gassed - not the other way around...

Newtomemphisblue Wrote:

Chi-Town Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

I am by no means an apologist, and I will call a spade a spade. However, I trust in TW, and if he feels Joe Lee is the best man for th job, he has a reason for that. As I do not know what he knows I accept that and I will support his decision.

We have been to three straight bowls under Joe Lee as DC.

Not to defend or to point fingers at JLD... but you, Chi-Town Hog, would have to rely on Coach West's opinion, since you can't seem to find your way down to see the game and form your own.... So I hope you DO trust him.

Also, if you want to be honest, three runs to the left (all stuffed) to start the second half, after an amazing drive to the OM Red Zone, cost us the game as much as anything else... it's not like OM woulda really changed their attack had we been leading by that TD late in the game, hell they never attempted a FG the entire game... so it's not like they left extra points out on the field by playing conservative.

And just like JLD gets burnt badly once every year, RF forgets how to call a game once in a while too.

He did Sunday for just one series of downs and it greatly contributed to a loss.

But look at it this way Tiger Fans, our PLAYERS made very few mistakes, and only had one? penalty (OK and one gimme) all day IN OXFORD.

That is very promising for the 1st game, and hopefully, we won't get outcoached again.

All I know is:

JLD and RF work for the same team and HC.

They both have input into what guys they want to get.

They both have responsibility to make their side of the ball work.

Both have lapses at times.

RF seems to get his side of the ball working.

JLD seems to have more problems over the past 3 years--however he
has not had a Deangelo, a Wimprine, or a Hankins on his side of the ball.

It seems like where ever this guy goes his defenses work for a year or two and then things start dropping off.
I seriously think it has to do with the rumors that he doesn't recruit.
How can you effectively recruit for a team with one less coach out there pounding the pavement?

Think about this:
How is it that all the other coaches are expected to recruit on top of the job they have and get their guys to perform as they ought to, while JLD is brought in to "fix" the defense, doesn't have to do the extra recruting, gets one successful year, and from then on the defense consistently underachieves?
If you're a coach on that staff, don't you get sick of working harder than
"The guy" who supposed to be a wizard yet consistently underperforms?

How many of you would get pretty irate at that in your office??
Who here gets sick of carrying the load for the other guy, not because he
needs help, but he just doesn't like to do part of his job?

Chi-Town Wrote:

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

TIGER7880 Wrote:I think you guys are way off on JLD. He is an easy target, but he knows more about football and defense than 95% of this board combined. I'll take Tommy West's opinion of JLD more than you guys. When Tommy says it is time for a change, it will be time for a change. Until then, I'm fine with JLD.

That's right. Tommy said that is the defense he wants to run. Tommy said that as head coach it's his job to make sure the defense is right. Until Tommy says different then all you guys calling for JLD's head should just call for Tommy's head.

I am by no means an apologist, and I will call a spade a spade. However, I trust in TW, and if he feels Joe Lee is the best man for th job, he has a reason for that. As I do not know what he knows I accept that and I will support his decision.

We have been to three straight bowls under Joe Lee as DC.

I have to go with the Mob on this one. Everyone is using the line "Tommy has faith in JLD and that is good for me". That is a stupid statement. Of course in public Coach West is going to give his endorsement, it was his hire. How many head coaches get the pat on the back support from their AD during the season in which they are let go. He (Tommy) just has to know when to call it a bad fit. Time for new blood, but it won't be before the year is up. And for the JLD apologist, don't sing Dunn's praises until the D actually stops a quality opponent i.e. UCF, TN, UTEP, Tulsa...etc. Our pass defense has been atrocious for two seasons and the one thing we could count on was decent run defense, well that is not looking good right now. Lucky for us, our next two opponents aren't good rushing teams: UT Chat and ECU.

Chi-Town Wrote:[quote="SouthavenTiger"][quote="TIGER7880"]

We have been to three straight bowls under Joe Lee as DC.

Yeah, and as long as he's here we'll keep going to the New Orleans Bowl and Motor City Bowl and playing N Texas State or Bowling Green.

We can do better. We must do better.

Once again, let's just go back to where we were 4 years ago and not worry about all this crap! You can have the 3-8, 4-7 seasons of old and blissfully hope that some day we can go to any kind of bowl...

Since our team had not been to a bowl for 31 YEARS, I like going to three bowls in a row!

I agree with the post that said if you want JLD fired, you want Coach West fired. If that is what you want, then I hope you find a new team to root for. Coach West has said on many occasions that he is gone when winning isn't good enough.

Coach West is the best thing that has happened to this program and he has given his seal of approval to JLD both publicly and privately. That IS good enough for me, because when have you known Coach West to say something that he didn't believe.

Do I think JLD coached a perfect game, no... not even really a good game. But, I also don't think that will be the result for the whole season. And YES! I still believe holding Marshall OR ANYONE ELSE to under 150 yards, WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 2 DEFENSIVE LINEMEN is an accomplishment worthy of praise!

SouthavenTiger Wrote:

Da_Hit_Dogg Wrote:I really doubt he is saying this behind closed doors. He has to say he supports him publicly. JLD is a ZERO. I mean seriously the defense has been pathetic for the past few years. Was there anybody else in the stadium that didn't know the 3rd & Goal and the 3rd & 4 at the end of the game were going to be QB draws?

And "Da Hit Dogg" is a defensive genius? lmfao

If you don't call Tommy West and tell him you'd take the job because JLD is a ZERO then you don't have a hair on your A$$.

That's precisely my point you simpleton. Even I knew what they were going to run and I haven't been on a football field since middle school. You are of below average intelligence, but I guess that's to be expected given your location. EABBOD.