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Here he is telling how Crazies can either choose to lower themselves to the same level as MD fans, mainly students, and go after DJ for his father's mistakes or put themselves on a higher level and "win with class".

Show me where he said that he was actually going to show up at the game with flour-filled baggies.

This says it all. He doesn't condone or praise obscene shirts, harrassing players for their father's drug problems, or the throwing of things at players, parents, or coaches.

This article is about what can happen, and poses a question to the Crazies: Are you going to act like the MD fans at the Comcast Center/Cole Field House, or "win with class".

Suspended/fired for writing what is pretty much a warning to fellow students to act appropriately? Please.

The Chronicle gets a TON of **** from faculty, alumni and others for letting people say WHATEVER they want in their columns. People have brought up "Let's tear down Cameron" and "K needs to go"...

Glad to know you know so much about the Chronicle, Terpy... I do, and there's actually today's Chronicle sitting right near my computer.

Not necessarily true... 99.9% of the time, anything a columnist for the Chronicle gives to the editors it goes untouched into the paper.

It's because there is a good trust system. Especially this guy Matt Sullivan... Who has written a bunch of garbage, but none of it has ever been illegal, offensive (in a derogatory way) or over the line... It's just complete bullshit, but the editors can't say "Our personal opinions are different than yours, this isn't making it in".

Oh yeah, and wearing shirts that say "**** Duke" and chanting FU JJ is any better.

Indeed it is.

Because I know someone who used to work at the Chronicle and I know how it is run.

What you are missing is that the article is printed in a public paper format. This paper is edited and authorized. You can't stop some people from acting like idiots but your sure can stop dumb-a$$ articles from being published for all the public to see. Typical Duke thinking here bud!

Ever heard of police or campus security? A person who streaks gets tossed form the building, or even a Duke student with only a spedo on is forced to cover up, yet the MD police did nothing about what the students were wearing. And national TV is not more public than a Student paper? Double standard.

Yo T...the last time I checked the constitution stills protects the freedom of speech. I'm also pretty sure that UMD has no dress code. If and I suspect when the rules of our public university change to prohibit wearing these shirts and foul language, you will see a real crack-down. I am not going to argue with you that chanting F U to JJ or wearing those shirts make us look very good. I am actually embarrassed by those idiots. What you keep missing is that these stupid UMD chants and shirts are pointed at specific players and teams because of rivalry....not because their parents died from aids or their Dad has drug problems. Do you see yet? If not, why don't you put yourself on the court and have fans chanting something about your brother being Gay or your Grandmother's drinking problems and see what that feels like compared to fans yelling at you for your own actions. Maybe then you would get it.

They can still refuse admission to students. There's no law protecting their "right to attend sports games".

I totally agree with you T. They should stop those UMD fans. Kick them out on their a$$es...there are plenty more people who would kill for those seats. On the flip side, the same should be done to those fans who carry in bags of flour and chant ridiculous things to players for the actions of their parents. If you don't think the media has slipped those into public sight, then you are sorely mistaken. I clearly remember hearing chants at Juan during many televised games that were less than acceptable.

Note that this hasn't even happened. Its just one guy talking about how we can either do the same level **** as some MD fans (he does state what came to his mind, which doesn't mean he actually recommends it, just like if I said I thought about nuking San Francisco doesn't mean I recommend it. Its just a thought.) or raise themselves to a higher standards. If it does happen, then I will be the first to apologize on this board (as I said earlier). And what chants were said about Juan? I went to the game @ Cameron two years ago and heard nothing.

Look Nate...I was talking to T. I never said it was Duke...show me where I said that. I was discussing bad behavior in the stands and my stand on the incidents that have taken place in the NCAA. Pull your g-string out of your a$$ and quit being so defensive. Allthough Duke may have the most annoying geek-ish cheer sheet fans in the country, I do NOT think they are or have been offensive. Got it?

T I never said it was Duke. Like I stated to Nate, I think Duke fans ARE well-behaved (a little boring but well behaved). The Juan chants were at a VA game where fans were chanting "crack-baby" and other stuff. These types of chants have graduated to DJ "crack-head" chants and far worse...again not at Duke. I really hope that Duke doesn't stoop to the same levels that VA and FSU and Tech have this year. I don't agree with the FU t-shirts or the FU chants to JJ. The funny thing is I think the FU chants actually helped JJ at Comcast. All that said, the article by a Dukie does show that that behavior whether carried out or not does manifest in all ACC schools. The Duke reputation is good and an article like this is offensive. If it does happen, I hope never to hear another word out of you or Nate on this topic. I honestly don't think it will happen unless UMD comes into Cameron and pulls off an upset. That will be the true test for the Duke fans. But hey, you never know what UMD team will show up. I do know that DJ and McCray will be in JJ's face the entire game so tensions will get high.

on what grounds?
If you are implying that they can be turned away because of what is written on the t shirts, then you better read up on your first ammendment rights...

You can still refuse to admit students. Sure they may give the security hell over it, but it will help promote the notion that the University won't just wait and hope this "works itself out" and will demonstrate that it is taking an active stand against this "unsportsmanlike conduct". Right now the sports and school administration is trying to rub off the blame and say it will pass only if the students do something about it.

NO YOU CAN'T...you don't seem to understand what the point is here...the university is not going to risk a freakin lawsuit over first ammendment rights to get rid of a handful of t shirts (and that's all it is, maybe 400 at most at every game)

all it takes is one rich kid and his lawyer daddy to take the university to court if they infrigne upon his rights....do you get that yet?

do you know what the first ammendment is, because you are showing a blatent lack of knowledge, yet you continue to argue...this confuses me...are you arguing because you have this hard-on for maryland and our vulgairty or do you really not understand first ammendment law?

my guess is a little of both...

Actually you are dead wrong. You school has practiced a little thing called "bench burning" for years. As usual, because it is Duke, the media steers clear from reporting it as they would UMD, VA, etc. I read an article where during these "celebrations" kids got burned pretty badly. Drop your holier-than-though bullsh*t please.

You do realize that the bench burning celebrations are strictly monitored, requiring that students acquire burn permits.

I'll post more when I get the time.

How am I dead wrong? Bench burning is not as bad as you make it sound. The students who got burned usually were the ones who were trying to jump the fires, which are only allowed with school and fire department authorized burn permits. Besides, the students burn benches that they made, not burning down the school, and they hold these celebrations in a giant open field known as the Quad. If you wanted to go and torch your campus, knock yourself out. If you all get negative media attention, that's your problem and I really could care less. We have small bench burning sessions where some idiots try and jump the fires. Where in the hell did you come up with the "holier-than-thou" idea?

How did you ever get a journalism degree? You can't spell for sh*t.

doh

You know T. Any way you look at it the "Bench Burning" "celebrations" are stupid and dangerous. I don't care that the students receive permits and do it in a wide open spaces. When I find the time I will post an article about an engineering school who did the same type of thing by creating the largest bon-fire in the world. This too was a tradition that received permits year after year and was held on schools grounds. The tradition stopped after the giant logs from the build fell down and killed a bunch of students.

Just because Duke University tries their best to have a legality clause strapped to every stupid behavior doesn't make it any less stupid.

The students that you refer to are no doubt the same type of students that get drunk and make the rest of the school look stupid. Whether they are burning school property or catching themselves on fire makes no difference. The bottom line is these actions should not happen on school property if not just to avoid stupid students making the University look bad.

So when I say stop with the holier-than-though act....that is exactly what I am talking about.

How did you ever get a journalism degree? You can't spell for sh*t.

doh

yes, I put the same amount of thought and effort into my posts here than I do with work related items :rolleyes:

And this matters how?

I think it matters a great deal, you are speaking like an expert here, yet, just from your quick retort, it seems that you have never been to one of these "celebrations", so how can you know so much about them and be so sure about the details of them...

basically, all you "know" is hearsay, and that is all you know about any of the celebrations that have got out of hand at maryland as well, which is obvious from your blatent lack of knowledge...

it's the same with your agrument over the first ammendment, you are arguing without a real basis or knowledge about what you are arguing for and against...

so, again, I ask, why are you arguing, just for the sake of it, or because of the huge hard-on you seem to have for the maryland faithful...

I have. They are not dangerous... There are fire trucks in the area, it is controlled and in a specific area. They even have a freakin fire permit for it.

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