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Given, its Memorial Day weekend... i'll edit the link....

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OS, you are OBSESSED with politics! Aren't there activities in your neck of the woods that you can enjoy today?
bluetop Wrote:OS, you are OBSESSED with politics! Aren't there activities in your neck of the woods that you can enjoy today?
I do enjoy politics... and the Redbirds...
Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
tiger85 Wrote:Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that&nbsp; extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
While most of the ties to W are certainly a stretch, I do think it is pertinent for people to know that the Bush family garnered their wealth by supplying the Nazi's the necessary materials for war in Europe.
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
tiger85 Wrote:Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that&nbsp; extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
While most of the ties to W are certainly a stretch, I do think it is pertinent for people to know that the Bush family garnered their wealthy by supplying the Nazi's the necessary materials for war in Europe.
You...sir...are a damn liar...and are obviously ignorant of WWII. I lived through that period.
bengltgrs Wrote:
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
tiger85 Wrote:Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that  extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
While most of the ties to W are certainly a stretch, I do think it is pertinent for people to know that the Bush family garnered their wealthy by supplying the Nazi's the necessary materials for war in Europe.
You...sir...are a damn liar...and are obviously ignorant of WWII. I lived through that period.
No... i'm not a liar... Prescott Bush's ties to Nazi Germany have been historically documented. Kevin Phillips, a former Nixon aide and registered Republican, wrote a book entitled "American Dynasty" that uses readily available public information to prove the elder Bush's ties to the German war effort. Read the book.
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
bengltgrs Wrote:
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
tiger85 Wrote:Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that  extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
While most of the ties to W are certainly a stretch, I do think it is pertinent for people to know that the Bush family garnered their wealthy by supplying the Nazi's the necessary materials for war in Europe.
You...sir...are a damn liar...and are obviously ignorant of WWII. I lived through that period.
No... i'm not a liar... Prescott Bush's ties to Nazi Germany have been historically documented. Kevin Phillips, a former Nixon aide and registered Republican, wrote a book entitled "American Dynasty" that uses readily available public information to prove the elder Bush's ties to the German war effort. Read the book.
OS, we all know that books can say just about anything we want them to. Public records and facts can be manipulated. And if this were true, where was the outcry? Then and now? And if it were true, how do we know that Prescott Bush didn't sell materials to Germany before their true colors were revealed ( before Hitler unveiled his "master strategy" for a new German society)? It is common knowledge that Hitler fooled a lot of people in the beginning. There are a lot of unanswered questions here. Needless to say, the creators of the website have played fast and loose with the truth to their own benefit, which is why I equated it to other websites of this nature. Finally, if it were true that Prescott Bush knowinlg sold materials to Nazi Germany, where's the proof that he knew their true nature? And did the sales occur before America entered WWII? The concentration camps, as you know, weren't known about until after our Allied troops discovered them. So many questions from an obscure book. And there are lots of books out there they say just about anything you want them to.
BTW, would you trust anything written by a former NIXON aide? :rolleyes:
tiger85 Wrote:
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
bengltgrs Wrote:
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
tiger85 Wrote:Sabretooth, this time I believe you have sunk too low. Where previously you have posted intelligent remarks this doesn't fit that description by a long shot. Seriously, I think you should be banned after this disgraceful post. This is typical of the propaganda that  extreme liberal factions like A.N.S.W.E.R. and others love to promote and display. I really thought you were above this sort of trash. Its disappointing to say the least.
While most of the ties to W are certainly a stretch, I do think it is pertinent for people to know that the Bush family garnered their wealthy by supplying the Nazi's the necessary materials for war in Europe.
You...sir...are a damn liar...and are obviously ignorant of WWII. I lived through that period.
No... i'm not a liar... Prescott Bush's ties to Nazi Germany have been historically documented. Kevin Phillips, a former Nixon aide and registered Republican, wrote a book entitled "American Dynasty" that uses readily available public information to prove the elder Bush's ties to the German war effort. Read the book.
OS, we all know that books can say just about anything we want them to. Public records and facts can be manipulated. And if this were true, where was the outcry? Then and now? And if it were true, how do we know that Prescott Bush didn't sell materials to Germany before their true colors were revealed ( before Hitler unveiled his "master strategy" for a new German society)? It is common knowledge that Hitler fooled a lot of people in the beginning. There are a lot of unanswered questions here. Needless to say, the creators of the website have played fast and loose with the truth to their own benefit, which is why I equated it to other websites of this nature. Finally, if it were true that Prescott Bush knowinlg sold materials to Nazi Germany, where's the proof that he knew their true nature? And did the sales occur before America entered WWII? The concentration camps, as you know, weren't known about until after our Allied troops discovered them. So many questions from an obscure book. And there are lots of books out there they say just about anything you want them to.
Kevin Phillips researched the subject throughly. Being a republican, he has no vested political interest in an election year. Why this common knowledge has not been widely publicized is a question that Phillips openly questions while traveling the book tour circuit. I think, for starters, it is not picked up on by democrats because it sounds outlandish and conspiratorial... and it does. It does not mean its not true, however. Again, I'd suggest reading the book before dismissing it as untrue.
Touring the book circuit? Figures.
:rolleyes:

OS, how do you know what the author thinks? You obviously have some first or second hand knowledge. He knows the mainstream people ignore his work and he has a ready made answer. Sounds like he's taking some folks for a ride! And apparently some of the Bush=Nazi internet folks have had his work long enough to use it for their purposes. All of this makes me pretty skeptical. What's more, Nazi sympathizers in politics and in the arts, literature,etc. were pretty well made public 60 years ago. You say read the book. If I read every book that dealt with conspriracies, UFOs, political ghosts, etc. I'd never have time to follow Tiger sports! Did you read the story of Roberto Rivera? It claims to have credible sources and has been widely dismissed by the Catholic Church as well as many Protestants as untrue. Just because its in print and its author promotes it doesn't mean its the gospel.
bluetop Wrote:Touring the book circuit? Figures.
:rolleyes:

OS, how do you know what the author thinks? You obviously have some first or second hand knowledge. He knows the mainstream people ignore his work and he has a ready made answer. Sounds like he's taking some folks for a ride! And apparently some of the Bush=Nazi internet folks have had his work long enough to use it for their purposes. All of this makes me pretty skeptical. What's more, Nazi sympathizers in politics and in the arts, literature,etc. were pretty well made public 60 years ago. You say read the book. If I read every book that dealt with conspriracies, UFOs, political ghosts, etc. I'd never have time to follow Tiger sports! Did you read the story of Roberto Rivera? It claims to have credible sources and has been widely dismissed by the Catholic Church as well as many Protestants as untrue. Just because its in print and its author promotes it doesn't mean its the gospel.
I have seen Kevin Phillips on C-SPAN and he is anything but a conspiratorial wack-o. He is quite succint, cerebral and unassuming. He is very asute on the subject of politics and..in particular... his fellow republican party. You can chose to ignore his opinions because you don't agree with them, but it is ridiculous to say they aren't true when you have nothing to offer up to prove otherwise.
Original Sabretooth Wrote:
bluetop Wrote:Touring the book circuit? Figures.
:rolleyes:

OS, how do you know what the author thinks? You obviously have some first or second hand knowledge. He knows the mainstream people ignore his work and he has a ready made answer. Sounds like he's taking some folks for a ride! And apparently some of the Bush=Nazi internet folks have had his work long enough to use it for their purposes. All of this makes me pretty skeptical. What's more, Nazi sympathizers in politics and in the arts, literature,etc. were pretty well made public 60 years ago. You say read the book. If I read every book that dealt with conspriracies, UFOs, political ghosts, etc. I'd never have time to follow Tiger sports! Did you read the story of Roberto Rivera? It claims to have credible sources and has been widely dismissed by the Catholic Church as well as many Protestants as untrue. Just because its in print and its author promotes it doesn't mean its the gospel.
I have seen Kevin Phillips on C-SPAN and he is anything but a conspiratorial wack-o. He is quite succint, cerebral and unassuming. He is very asute on the subject of politics and..in particular... his fellow republican party. You can chose to ignore his opinions because you don't agree with them, but it is ridiculous to say they aren't true when you have nothing to offer up to prove otherwise.
You are overlooking the fact that ALL OF EUROPE supported the initial rise of the Nazi party.

The elder Bush was doing nothing more than EXACTLY WHAT YOU BITCH ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH NOT DOING!!!
Following in France's footsteps to be exact. 04-cheers

Thanks for playing....you have once again PROVEN the hypocrisy that is LIBERALISM.
Kevin Phillips radio interview...

<a href='http://www.wamu.org/ram/2004/r2040210.ram' target='_blank'>radio interview</a>


Kevin Phillips TV speech...
<a href='http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=5723&fcategory_desc=The%20Bush%20Crime%20Family' target='_blank'>TV Speech</a>
The link you provide in your initial post is so reprehensible it makes one question just where your head is in moments of solidarity and reflection. Anyone with some modicum of computer skills can manipulate pictures to show a jaundiced, perverted view of humanity and I am just amazed that you would use this piece of trash as the shot across our bow to make you point.

With respect to the substance of the reviling accusation by Phillips, first of all, how can one say that the Bush family is America's first DYNASTY when, using the standards that Phillips proposes, the Kennedy's had the Bush's beat by at least a decade.

With respect to the thread of conspiracy he tries to weave into a blanket of disgrace, this supposed "conservative" has been disappointed at the Republican party evolution since the days of Gerald Ford's defeat in 1976. In contrast to his being taughted as a chief republican technician in the 1980 campaign, Phillips was distraught at the idea that an "actor" could take over as the standard bearer of what he believed the Republican party should be....a counter balance to the excesses of the Democrats but never a "blue collar" majority as reflected in the "Reagan Revolution" of Democrats, disaffected union members, Catholics, etc. He thought of these people as the "rabble" that would change the workings of the Republican party system. He was ashamed that Ronald Reagan was regarded by many within the first tier of historic Presidents such as Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.

Phillips became a "populist" railing against supply side economic theory and promoting substantial tax increases in the late 1980s. This was just as the economy was beginning to stumble. And what did George H. W. do, he followed his counsel (at least in effect). What followed was a slump in the economy that ultimately caused G.H.W. his office.

Kevin Phillips almost went into aploplexy over former House Speaker Jim Wright's removal from his disgraceful role (and set out to help remove Nwt Gingrich when he took over that seat in 1995. Some republican, eh?

Kevin Phillips is so "populist" that he thinks regulations should be increased to make airline travel less affordable and, therefore, only the affluent can fly. So much for the "hoiey-polloie" going to Disney World at spring break.

Kevin Phillips has spent most of his time over the last two decades speading his fertilizer over National Public Radio, the only media outlet that will give him a paycheck (CBS uses him occasionally during the presidential campaigns). I guess if one has no groundings or core principles, then one will assert anything to keep up a Litchfield, CT lifestyle (I lived in good ole blue collar Manchester when I was a citizen of the Nutmeg State).

Phillips uses crackpots as sources in his book and is not above making things up to serve his purpose.

National Review set many of these claims aside as the filth that it is in March of this year.

<a href='http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/schweizer200403300907.asp' target='_blank'>Kevin Phillips Politics of Deceit</a>

I tend to try to look at all things with an critical but open mind. It seems that some will try to fill an open mind with the absurd.

And another thing, your "Bush Looks Like A Chimp" link is childish and reflects upon your attitude coming into the discussion.
RandyMc Wrote:The link you provide in your initial post is so reprehensible it makes one question just where your head is in moments of solidarity and reflection.  Anyone with some modicum of computer skills can manipulate pictures to show a jaundiced, perverted view of humanity and I am just amazed that you would use this piece of trash as the shot across our bow to make you point.

With respect to the substance of the reviling accusation by Phillips, first of all, how can one say that the Bush family is America's first DYNASTY when, using the standards that Phillips proposes, the Kennedy's had the Bush's beat by at least a decade.

With respect to the thread of conspiracy he tries to weave into a blanket of disgrace, this supposed "conservative" has been disappointed at the Republican party evolution since the days of Gerald Ford's defeat in 1976. In contrast to his being taughted as a chief republican technician in the 1980 campaign, Phillips was distraught at the idea that an "actor" could take over as the standard bearer of what he believed the Republican party should be....a counter balance to the excesses of the Democrats but never a "blue collar" majority as reflected in the "Reagan Revolution" of Democrats, disaffected union members, Catholics, etc.  He thought of these people as the "rabble" that would change the workings of the Republican party system.  He was ashamed that Ronald Reagan was regarded by many within the first tier of historic Presidents such as Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.

Phillips became a "populist" railing against supply side economic theory and promoting substantial tax increases in the late 1980s.  This was just as the economy was beginning to stumble.  And what did George H. W. do, he followed his counsel (at least in effect).  What followed was a slump in the economy that ultimately caused G.H.W. his office.

Kevin Phillips almost went into aploplexy over former House Speaker Jim Wright's removal from his disgraceful role (and set out to help remove Nwt Gingrich when he took over that seat in 1995.  Some republican, eh?

Kevin Phillips is so "populist" that he thinks regulations should be increased to make airline travel less affordable and, therefore, only the affluent can fly.  So much for the "hoiey-polloie" going to Disney World at spring break.

Kevin Phillips has spent most of his time over the last two decades speading his fertilizer over National Public Radio, the only media outlet that will give him a paycheck (CBS uses him occasionally during the presidential campaigns).  I guess if one has no groundings or core principles, then one will assert anything to keep up a Litchfield, CT lifestyle (I lived in good ole blue collar Manchester when I was a citizen of the Nutmeg State).

Phillips uses crackpots as sources in his book and is not above making things up to serve his purpose.

National Review set many of these claims aside as the filth that it is in March of this year.

<a href='http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/schweizer200403300907.asp' target='_blank'>Kevin Phillips Politics of Deceit</a>

I tend to try to look at all things with an critical but open mind.  It seems that some will try to fill an open mind with the absurd.

And another thing, your "Bush Looks Like A Chimp" link is childish and reflects upon your attitude coming into the discussion.
Randy,

when you reach the level of chief republican strategist...which Phillips attained... then you can belittle the author with your google searched facts. Until then, his opinions, access, and life experiences are a little more authoratative than yours. It is not surprising that National Review would come out against any book that could jeopardize the presidential race in November. I would imagine they were equally as critical of books by moderates... Paul O'Neil, Joseph Wilson, John Dean, Richard Clarke, Bob Woodward... that also challenged the competency and ideology of this remarkably incompetent president.

I don't think there are many on this board that don't know my true feelings or attitude about this president.

He...
...used family connections to avoid service in Vietnam... and then had the audacity to challenge Kerry's service.

...squandered a budget surplus and magically transformed into record deficits... and then misled about the true size of the deficit.

...used very, very, very questionable intelligence information to justify an invasion of Iraq

...purposefully misled Congress on the true cost of his prescription drug plan and strong-armed the internal insurance actuary to not release the true cost of the plan until after the vote.

...has precided over the largest loss of american jobs during a 4-year presidential term since Hoover.

...has seen gas and oil prices sky-rocket to all-time highs while at the same time the gas and oil companies that support his administration have registered record profits

...has commissioned his right-wing media attack dogs to go after the 9-11 Widows to try and discredit them as democratic political lackies... even though most voted for him in 2000.

...exploited John McCain's adoption of a "black baby" in the 2000 South Carolina Republican primary.

...has alienated us from our european and middle eastern allies and in so doing, has completely divided this country politically. So much for his "uniter not divider" compassionate conservatism campaign pledge. Put that one in the same trash bin as his lies about protecting social security... no nation building... the largest percentage of his tax cuts going to the middle class...etc.

George Bush is a liar and while Clinton certainly tarnished the office with his Lewinsky lies under oath, Bush's lies are lies that affect my standard of living. Bush's lies shift the tax burden from the corporations and the wealthy to the middle class. Bush's lies put troops in Iraq. Bush's lies cost this country international clout and alliances. Bush's lies are paid by with our collective hides. Clinton was just trying to cover his.

ps

Phillips 1969 classic "The Emerging Republican Majority" is anything but a call to arms for blue-blooded republicans. It outlines the republicans "southern strategy" and calls for its implementation. Quite frankly, the premise of the book is exactly opposite of the description you give of Mr. Phillips.
Randy, thanks for an enlightened post. By his own admission, OS utterly despises Bush and wants desperately to see him ousted. And he implies that anyone who disagrees with him and his views is dead wrong, misled, misinformed. The link is pure propaganda. I'll give the liberals this: they'll stick to their guns come hell or high water. Or til the next election campaign.
You can make up your version of the truth, reject my analysis as inauthoritative, belittle my authority to have an opinion of my own, and write reprehensible things about a person that I love and respect. That is your right. I did not even think such reviling things about the most repulsive, amoral president of my lifetime, your hero, Bill Clinton.

I guess I googled the guy in 1981 when, for my Public Administration major, I reported on a book about electoral reform that he cowrote. You do not have a copywrite on the writings of Kevin Phillips. You do not know a thing of my "life experiences" nor are you the authority of what I can comment about.

Sabretooth, if you can live with yourself, I can live with me. Good luck to you and may God bless you and those that you love and may God continue to bless this nation.
Original Sabretooth Wrote:<a href='http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/schweizer200403300907.asp' target='_blank'>Kevin Phillips Politics of Deceit</a>

&nbsp; It is not surprising that National Review would come out against any book that could jeopardize the presidential race in November.

The National Review article appears to be well researched and written, and not just a wet blanket thrown on Mr. Phillips book.

But perhaps all is not lost for Mr. Phillips. Maybe he can get together with that other great sage of our era, Michael Moore, to create a movie sure to have the Cannes crowd screaming in orgasmic climax. :laugh:
Original Sabretooth Wrote:Randy,

when you reach the level of chief republican strategist...which Phillips attained... then you can belittle the author with your google searched facts.
...Hmmmm.....so I guess.....


Original Sabretooth,


when you reach the level of President of the United States...which Bush attained... then you can belittle the man with your google searched facts.
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