Yesterday VolLover and I were debating the merits of the second-greatest head basketball coach in ETSU history, Ed DeChellis- and our friend Andy came up with this gem-
"I wouldn't be suprised (sic) to (sic) VMI come in and beat (Penn State)."
So I at that point said I would bet him a year's sabatical from this board that Penn State would beat VMI.
Terms are no aliases. One year- Dec. 30, 2006 to Dec. 30, 2007.
And at that point, VolLover did a very interesting thing.
He realized he would be surprised if VMI won.
We have nine days to pressure him into this bet.
You have three options now- VolLover.
A- Take the bet. Stand up to your statement. Be a man.
B- Eat a bit of crow. Say "I shot my mouth off. My bad."
C- Ignore this. Backtrack. Make excuses.
And therefore be identified by everyone on here as, officially and forever, my little b1tch.
It's up to you. You DO have a lot to gain here by taking the bet. If VMI wins- you will be the star of the board.
You will be the guy who SILENCED Pittsburgh Bucs!
And let me tell you, that ain't easy.
So what's it going to be?
I told ya what I wanted, but since you're so confident in Penn State, here are my terms to think about it.
A: VMI gets a 15 point spread. If Eddie and the Lions are as good as you say they should have no problem with a lower tier Big South team, and should win by atleast that, ties work against you.
B: (DELETED)
C: You fondle yourself at the idea that a coach at ETSU would give you the time of day, like the one time Eddie boy did.
D: Admit that you were afraid of TreeStreetBucs, and thank your stars every night that he matured up a little bit and saved you from the beating of your life.
E: Do the research I asked you to do.
Unbelievable.
I give you a legitimate bet, A WAY TO PROVE YOU ARE A MAN, and you say you won't accept it unless you get 15 points (backtracking again) and I lie and say the impossible and false is true.
You're my b1tch. End of discussion.
If I'm proving manhood on a messageboard, nevermind.
Don't give me that.
Between us we have more than 1640 posts- and lately most of it is a game of "Can You Top This?"
Sad as it is, WE BOTH HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PROVE OUR MANHOOD ON HERE FOR A LONG TIME!
Now- no more false claims.
Are you going to take the bet, b1tch, or are you going to lose even more credibility?
15 points seems like a mighty big spread for someone who "wouldn't be surprised" if VMI won the game.
Pitt, I think he meant, "I wouldn't be surprised if VMI came within 16. You just misunderstood him.
We're down to the final day.
And again, the Cowardly VolLover has refused to be a man of his word and take the bet, even with me laying three points.
Your credibility is on the line now, Andy Large.
It's time for you to either go for the big win- thereby shutting me up once and for all.
Go down with dignity.
Or be known as the poster with the least amount of credibility on this board- a status you have already attained.
You know, what if VMI wins this one?
Won't VolLover look stupid then? He had the chance to be the board leader and he blew it.
And don't come on here if they do saying "I told you they would win!"
Uh, no. You came on here saying you wouldn't be surprised if VMI won outright- and when I held you up to it and even gave you three points- you backed down and said you needed a 15 point spread (cough! Ack! Gasp!) and asked that I tell you some fantasies you have about me are true.
But, since it does not appear VolLover is man enough to stand by his word, he won't become board leader- the title he so desperately wants but will never attain.
Sad.
I am not sure what the big deal is. I wouldn't be surprised if VMI beats Penn St either, Penn St isn't very good and they have lost and struggled with several teams from lesser conferences this year. I also wouldn't be surprised if Penn St came out and won by 20+ because I have no idea what kind of team VMI has othen then they are really high scoring bunch.But a Big Ten should blow them out.
If Penn St wins, big deal they ate another cupcake that DeChellis has been serving up. If they lose then DeChellis is really going to face a backlash on the Penn State board.
You've missed the point.
Even you have commented on how VolLover shoots his mouth off- and his DeChellis criticism is witness to this.
So when he said "I wouldn't be surprised if VMI beats Penn State"- I said "Put up or Shut Up."
Bet is- he takes VMI and I take PSU. Loser has to stay off this board for a year- no aliases.
I even gave him three points to sweeten the pot.
It was the one chance to shut up PittsburghBucs he'll ever have.
And I gave him three options.
A- Take the bet.
B- Say- "Okay, I shot my mouth off. I'm sorry." And no harm would be done.
C- Act like a coward, try to ignore it, and then look like a fool to the rest of the board.
With four hours left 'til tipoff, he's chosen C to this point.
But Rod- you're a DeChellis basher. And you want to shut me up just as much as he does.
So I'll give you the same deal. VMI vs. PSU. Loser stays off the board for a year. I'll give you three points.
If DeChellis- that "low ball scheduler" (he brought in Michigan State here, of course, but I digress) in that "enormously weak" Big 10 Conference, is the poor coach you say he is- why- he won't have any idea how to defend that high scoring attack.
Either one of you. Put up or shut up.
lol, put up what? I said I wouldn't be surprised if either outcome of the game happened,so yeah if VMI wins you stay off the board for a year and in Penn St wins you stay off the board for a year because I I said neither outcome would surprise me. Yeah Michigan State came to JC, once in 7 years. during that same time 18 non Div I teams played in the Dome. Actually we did play some tough teams while DeChellis was here, just not in the Dome, never beat any of them (Okay he beat Va Tech twice but he lost the other 22 games againist major conference schools) but we played a some. It is the difference between scheduling for a team from Major Conference vs a Mid Major, at ETSU he didn't get to pick an choose and load up on lots of OOC home games like a Big Ten school does.
Way to go, Rod.
No, really.
You miss the point- come off as much of a coward as VolLover does- and then give me he scheduled 18 tune-up games.
Name me the coach who doesn't schedule tune-up games.
Is this the only ammo you got against DeChellis? He scheduled tune-up games?
All while being the last coach to schedule a major conference power- while en route to a National Title no less- here?
If that's the case, I guess John Thompson really stunk up the place at Georgetown and the Hoyas are better off without him.
Please.
But, I guess anything to change the subject away from VolLover, and now yourself, from looking like a coward, huh?
How am I coward? I don't care who wins the VMI-Penn St game, the only thing that would surprise me would be if VMI blew Penn St out. I am glad DeChellis was able to get his buddy to throw us a bone and play us a 2 for 1. If Buzz had stayed around another year or two Bartow might have gotten him to bring Tennessee up here, who knows. The scheduling you have to do at a Mid Major vs a Major is different, you have few options and have to take the money games at a school like ETSU, at Penn St you are the ones paying people to come in and get beat up. Of Penn St 13 OOC games 11 of them were at home. The only two road games were Seton Hall and Georgia Tech, both losses. ETSU doesn't get to make a schedule like that.
You don't care about the VMI-PSU game, so you post on a thread concerning it.
Okay.
You just admitted why it was impressive for DeChellis to get Michigan State here when you spoke of the challenges of scheduling- a topic I have long discussed both on these boards and with DeChellis himself.
The reason UT won't come here stems from the fact in 1963 UT went to Brooks Gym and came away with a one point win.
Madison Brooks often told the story following that game that UT said they would never come back to Johnson City because the Bucs had nearly beaten them.
WHO IS DUCKING WHO NOW?
Yes, it was 43 years ago. But you would have thought that Bartow and Peterson would have agreed to a two or three for one UPON BARTOW'S HIRING if the Vols in Johnson City were to ever take place.
So UT pettiness rears its ugly head again.
Regardless, you can't possibly tell me you believe Tennessee has the basketball reputation of Michigan State.
So, in your mind, the theoretical chance of a SEC bottom feeder team playing in Johnson City equates actually having one of college basketball's most successful and glamourous programs here.
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Let's get back to subject.
WE GOT TWO HOURS- YOU GONNA TAKE THE BET VOLLOVER OR HAVE ROD SHAW- WHO THINKS YOU ARE AN IDIOT- FIGHT YOUR BATTLES FOR YOU?
And weakly at that.
one of college basketball's most successful and glamourous programs here...
I thought we were talking about Michigan State,, did I miss when we changed over to Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke or was it Indiana since you mentioned a Big 10 team
Have you heard of David Jones of the Patriot-News?
I thought you might get a kick out of a comment he made preseason about Penn State schedule.
Quote from: David Jones
While I was on vacation, Penn State men's basketball released a schedule high on potential 250-RPI filler in the nonconference portion that could scuttle its chances for an NCAA bid. I love Ed DeChellis. But he took his scheduling acumen from his mentor Bruce Parkhill. And that could bite him in the backside this year if the Lions indeed have enough to position themselves for selection consideration.
I'm sorry.
A couple of national titles (actually one more than Indiana since 1979, I believe)?
Magic Johnson?
Yeah, they really are a little sisters of the poor.
No, not up there with say, UCLA (who is, though?).
But that's precisely why I said "ONE OF."
Now, are you HONESTLY going to argue with me that Michigan State isn't regarded as a SIGNIFICANTLY better basketball school than Tennessee is?
Are you going to do that- Bernard King Breath?
OH- PLEASE DO THAT MR. SHAW!
PLEASE!
You know what I took from that quote?
"I love Ed DeChellis."
Evidently, the reason you don't is-
Despite resurrecting the program during a time when the athletic department was about to fall into ruin
And building a perennial conference contender with two NCAA berths
And then seeing the program significantly regress after his departure- further cementing his brilliance
And then leading a with 14 wins in two seasons to a post-season tournament in two years-
DeCHELLIS is a bad coach because- HORRORS- he once scheduled Warren Wilson here!!!!!!
No wonder you got out of the P.I. game, Rod.
Ain't no way you ever came up with evidence that held up in court!
You keep trying ot bring everything back to Tennessee, I never said Tennessee was a basketball school, you brought that up. I just don't think of Michigan State when I think of the elite. North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky. UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, I would be Michigan State in there with Michigan Oklahoma, Texas and Louisville 2nd tier but top tier tradition-wise.
What you should have taken from the quote is what Ihave been saying. Ed is scheduling cupcakes at Penn St and I am not the only one who think so.
R
Yeah.
Usually that's what you do when you're trying to build a team. Just like Mike Cavan did in 1992.
And even I criticized DeChellis for dropping the Pitt game.
So your point is?
Proving that I just can't shut up . . .
I took the liberty to compare PSU's schedule to that of some other teams that NOBODY questions their actions.
To date, Penn State has scheduled only three really "big name" games- against Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, and St. Joes.
But, let's take a look at Indiana- fellow Big 10 team- can schedule whoever they want to.
What's this? ONLY THREE BIG NAME GAMES? Duke, Kentucky, and Butler?
I'm looking through the rest of the opponents. Hmmm. Our old favorite Chicago State is on there. So is Lafayette, IUPUI, Western Illinois, and a bunch of other teams nobody has ever heard of.
So, what? Maybe that's the way they do it in the Midwest, but Gretchen Wilson and Hank say that's not how they do it in Dixie?
Well, then, let's look at North Carolina.
Okay, there's Kentucky. Then there's Gonzaga- which essentially fills the St. Joes/Butler role.
They do play Ohio State and Tennessee, the latter of which had to be scheduled not because they thought they were going to get a real tough challenge but rather because I'm sure when the series was made out it would be a favor to Buzz.
The rest of the schedule might as well be ETSU opponents. UNC-A. Winthrop. High Point. Florida Atlantic.
Maybe some props for St. Louis and Rutgers, but come on.
Point is- it's essentially the same logic. Schedule two games against traditional tough teams from a powerhouse conference, schedule one game against a tough mid-major, and then load up with teams in the rest of the preseason schedule you ought to beat.
If you want to get on DeChellis for playing Georgia Tech instead of Duke, well, you can.
But I don't think I have to tell you how chincy that is, and that there are additional factors where you obviously don't automatically just get Duke or Kentucky to appear at your doorstep.
I'll buy he never should have dropped the Pitt series.
However, I won't buy any of YOUR arguements, Rod, and neither will anyone else now.
Actually Winthrop is a very good team.
Their 3 losses where to
#2 North Carolina 73-66
Maryland 71-60 and
#4Wisconsin 82-79.
All on the road, I am very glad ETSU doesn't play them, they
would kill us.
They have been to the NCAA 6 times in the last 8 years.
So what? They were scheduled for a win and because they were local- just like Penn State and ETSU and every college basketball team on the planet schedules.
The only valid arguements made against DeChellis' scheduling are the ones I HAVE BROUGHT UP!
As usual !